Jimdamick
Well-Known Member
Well, it appears that any chance for a successful completion of the negotiations called P5+1, dealing with Iraq developing nuclear capabilities is done, finito, kaput. You know how and why? Because Benjamin Netanyahu came to town. You might ask how can the PM of that little, teeny tiny country of a little over 8 million, basically the population of NYC, somehow scuttle an agreement that seemed to coming to a successful conclusion, after over a year of negotiations.
You see, the town he strolled into last month was Washington DC, and there he is a God. He promptly gathered his flock of rats together, and explained what he needed done to make him happy, and they eagerly went to work to make him happy. Like fucking ecstatic.
Yesterday, Obama capitulated and agreed that Congress would have the last word on any agreement signed with Iraq. They were calling the game, not the President, not France, not the United Kingdom, not Russia, not China nor Germany. They are the Great and Powerful Congress, and may the world bow before us, and our best buddy, Israel (the way things are going, they might end up being our only buddy)
The stipulations they require are designed to basically make it virtually impossible for a treaty to be signed.
Just hours after the White House withdrew its opposition to a bill requiring Congressional oversight on any nuclear deal with Iran, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously approved the legislation, called the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015, prompting a victory lap by the bill’s author, committee chairman Bob Corker, R-Tenn.
“This legislation is exactly the congressional review that we’ve been working on since day one,” Corker said in his opening remarks to the notably uncontentious hearing. His tone mixed delighted disbelief with a not-too-subtle thumb in the eye of the administration, which had reversed its long-standing position against any encroachment on the president’s foreign-policy prerogatives.
“I know they’ve relented because of what they believe the outcome is going to be here,” Corker said. “I think that the reason the White House has taken this position over the past two hours is that they see how many senators are supporting this.”
The numbers backed him up: When the less-than-two-hour-long hearing concluded, all 19 members of the panel, including all nine Democrats and two GOP presidential contenders (Rand Paul of Kentucky and Marco Rubio of Florida), voted “yes” on the bill.
The anticlimactic vote culminated a whirlwind day on Capitol Hill, punctuated by an announcement of a bipartisan agreement to move forward with the legislation; a briefing to senators by Secretary of State John Kerry and other top administration officials on the ongoing Iran nuclear talks; and the White House announcement, which surprised even Corker, that the president was backing down from his threat to veto the bill.
“The president would be willing to sign the proposed compromise that is working its way through the committee today,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters at his daily briefing on Tuesday.
Hours earlier, Kerry, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew had briefed senators on the ongoing multilateral nuclear negotiations. They reiterated the administration’s opposition to Congress moving forward on the Corker legislation before the P5+1 negotiators reached a potential agreement in June, according to members leaving that meeting, including Corker himself.
Around the same time as the briefing, Senate Foreign Relations Committee sources began leaking the contours of a deal between Corker and Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland to amend the underlying legislation, which ultimately won unanimous Democratic support.
According to background guidance distributed by the committee, the negotiated final package requires the president to submit the final Iranian nuclear agreement to Congress, which would then have 52 days to review it. During that time, the president would not be allowed to waive existing congressional sanctions on Iran.
Those mandated 52 days are divided into phases, with an initial congressional review period of 30 days, an additional 12-day period added if Congress passes a bill and sends it to the president, and an additional 10 days if the president vetoes it. In typical congressional fashion, the language that the committee approved today includes a fallback provision to accommodate lawmakers’ regularly planned August recess. Per the committee, “If the deal is submitted late, after July 9, the review period goes up to 82 days.”
Additionally, the bill requires the president to certify to Congress that Iran is “complying with the terms of the final agreement” every 90 days, as well as submit a “series of detailed reports” on Iran’s ballistic missile program and support for terrorism internationally.
“With this information, Congress will be able to determine the appropriate response in the event of Iran sponsoring an act of terrorism against Americans,” according to the background guidance provided by a committee aide.
If you think that Iran, will accept any of that pile of shit, I want to eat some of the acid you are on.
What is going to be interesting to see though, is how the other countries react to it. Russia has already said they are selling an advanced anti-aircraft system to Iran, go fuck yourselves, and I really can't wait for China to give their opinion. Anyway, it's just seems to me to be another example of the power of Israel over the politics and policies of the US, and that is very bad, and very, very dangerous in my opinion.
You see, the town he strolled into last month was Washington DC, and there he is a God. He promptly gathered his flock of rats together, and explained what he needed done to make him happy, and they eagerly went to work to make him happy. Like fucking ecstatic.
Yesterday, Obama capitulated and agreed that Congress would have the last word on any agreement signed with Iraq. They were calling the game, not the President, not France, not the United Kingdom, not Russia, not China nor Germany. They are the Great and Powerful Congress, and may the world bow before us, and our best buddy, Israel (the way things are going, they might end up being our only buddy)
The stipulations they require are designed to basically make it virtually impossible for a treaty to be signed.
Just hours after the White House withdrew its opposition to a bill requiring Congressional oversight on any nuclear deal with Iran, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously approved the legislation, called the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015, prompting a victory lap by the bill’s author, committee chairman Bob Corker, R-Tenn.
“This legislation is exactly the congressional review that we’ve been working on since day one,” Corker said in his opening remarks to the notably uncontentious hearing. His tone mixed delighted disbelief with a not-too-subtle thumb in the eye of the administration, which had reversed its long-standing position against any encroachment on the president’s foreign-policy prerogatives.
“I know they’ve relented because of what they believe the outcome is going to be here,” Corker said. “I think that the reason the White House has taken this position over the past two hours is that they see how many senators are supporting this.”
The numbers backed him up: When the less-than-two-hour-long hearing concluded, all 19 members of the panel, including all nine Democrats and two GOP presidential contenders (Rand Paul of Kentucky and Marco Rubio of Florida), voted “yes” on the bill.
The anticlimactic vote culminated a whirlwind day on Capitol Hill, punctuated by an announcement of a bipartisan agreement to move forward with the legislation; a briefing to senators by Secretary of State John Kerry and other top administration officials on the ongoing Iran nuclear talks; and the White House announcement, which surprised even Corker, that the president was backing down from his threat to veto the bill.
“The president would be willing to sign the proposed compromise that is working its way through the committee today,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters at his daily briefing on Tuesday.
Hours earlier, Kerry, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew had briefed senators on the ongoing multilateral nuclear negotiations. They reiterated the administration’s opposition to Congress moving forward on the Corker legislation before the P5+1 negotiators reached a potential agreement in June, according to members leaving that meeting, including Corker himself.
Around the same time as the briefing, Senate Foreign Relations Committee sources began leaking the contours of a deal between Corker and Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland to amend the underlying legislation, which ultimately won unanimous Democratic support.
According to background guidance distributed by the committee, the negotiated final package requires the president to submit the final Iranian nuclear agreement to Congress, which would then have 52 days to review it. During that time, the president would not be allowed to waive existing congressional sanctions on Iran.
Those mandated 52 days are divided into phases, with an initial congressional review period of 30 days, an additional 12-day period added if Congress passes a bill and sends it to the president, and an additional 10 days if the president vetoes it. In typical congressional fashion, the language that the committee approved today includes a fallback provision to accommodate lawmakers’ regularly planned August recess. Per the committee, “If the deal is submitted late, after July 9, the review period goes up to 82 days.”
Additionally, the bill requires the president to certify to Congress that Iran is “complying with the terms of the final agreement” every 90 days, as well as submit a “series of detailed reports” on Iran’s ballistic missile program and support for terrorism internationally.
“With this information, Congress will be able to determine the appropriate response in the event of Iran sponsoring an act of terrorism against Americans,” according to the background guidance provided by a committee aide.
If you think that Iran, will accept any of that pile of shit, I want to eat some of the acid you are on.
What is going to be interesting to see though, is how the other countries react to it. Russia has already said they are selling an advanced anti-aircraft system to Iran, go fuck yourselves, and I really can't wait for China to give their opinion. Anyway, it's just seems to me to be another example of the power of Israel over the politics and policies of the US, and that is very bad, and very, very dangerous in my opinion.
