New Grow Room t8 vs 600HPS'S Hydro looking for ideas

and so it starts. my new room

about 12ft. x 16ft.

i have about 3 to 5 k to spend on start up i

have only grown hydroponically with ebb

flood & drain i want to stay hydro but have

been told i should try soil.

i might try half and half who knows.

also i have been doing research on t8s i think

6 toob 4 fts. prob like 5 mabe 6 of them for

the whole life of the plant

i have only used 2x 600w HPS for the

whole life of the plant.








ok i bet i missed thing but this is a start of

a new thread so its all good.






WHAT I AM ASKING is ;


Ideas on lighting with consideration to

HEAT AND ELECTRICITY (t8s are next to nothing to run compaired to 600w hps @ about 30-40 mo.)

such as how many and so on


I want to yield 6 to 8 lbs. quickly

HYDRO vs SOIL (remember i have never done soil, heard its much easier then hydro)

if i go w hps's i will need cooling help with the size

also

C02

new nutes (i use green fuse, and GH)

if soil what kind and so on

EVERYTHING AND ANYTHIG YOU WOULD LIKE TO INPUT

3-5k to spend
MY GOAL 6-8 LB



has anyone flowered with t8s??

ok if you want that kind of yield then toss the t5's out the window, you are going to need a 600 for every 3 feet square if you want to maximize, the whole thing that t5's dont use much power is bunk, each 4 ft bulb uses 50 watts and puts out more heat per watt than an hps, its just that its spread out over a larger distance, plus for the amount of watts used you get way less lumens so really they are not the right direction to go if your looking for massive yields

fat sam said:

ok if you want that kind of yield then toss the t5's out the window, you are going to need a 600 for every 3 feet square if you want to maximize, the whole thing that t5's dont use much power is bunk, each 4 ft bulb uses 50 watts and puts out more heat per watt than an hps, its just that its spread out over a larger distance, plus for the amount of watts used you get way less lumens so really they are not the right direction to go if your looking for massive yields

Click to expand...

are you sayin 9 sq ft? a 3x3 square??? jw cos my grow box is 3x3x3' and i was thinking of using a 400W HPS with conversion bulb, because 600w hps is for one to much electric cost im assuming and 2 the heat is an issue

i dont read anywhere where i talk about t5s and no do i read anything about a 400w hps PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD and im talking about t8s and there light spectrum is much better then a t5

ANY HYDRO ?# SITE SUGGESTIONS ?

ANYONE

dude, you need to read other threads on here.
I also suggest the growers bible, go to borders/Barnes and nobles and get "Marijuana Horticulture".
T-8's are not going to give you a very good yield at all....They don't have much light to be used by the plants. T-5's will do better... but definitely not better than the 600w HPS. 600W HPS are the most efficient Bulbs on the market today unless you are talking LED, but that is another story.

DONT USE t-8's unless you want to use close to 100 of them. haha which is a lil expensive.

Look @ any information you find online and it should also point you in the direction of T-5's, CFL's, MH, HPS, and now LED lighting as the only useable light for plants, everything else is pretty much for schwagg weed.

my two cents
hope it helped

-G33k

CannabisCloset said:

i dont read anywhere where i talk about t5s and no do i read anything about a 400w hps PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD and im talking about t8s and there light spectrum is much better then a t5

ANY HYDRO ?# SITE SUGGESTIONS ?

ANYONE

Click to expand...

The only difference between T5's and T8's is the circumfrence of the lamp itself.

So, a T8 is 8/8 inches in diameter, or 1 inch, and the T5 is 5/8 inch. Get It?

It has nothing to do with spectrum of light or watts per bulb.

There are however HO (High Output), and VHO (Very High Output) bulbs that require a special ballast. If space is not too much of a concern than you can save money getting T8's or even T12's.

You can certainly maximize your space with fluorescents simply because you can make shelves and use more vertical space, where as HPS/ MH will take up your entire room.

I personally think you should seperate your grow room and use fluorescent's to veg because they do a GREAT job at it. Then you can use the other half to flower with your 600 watt High Pressure Sodium bulbs because they are much better than a fluoro when it comes to flowering.

You could have a continuous cycle of some plants in veg and some in flower with a consistant harvest every 3 weeks to a month

If you want 6-8 lbs, you need two 4' x 8' flood tables with two 1,000 watt HIDs over each table (or 3 x 600s per table).

ok so you say 6 x 600w hps and 2x 4' by 8' flood tables and what like 2x t8 over another 4' by 8' table? how many site for the yield i want to see? 4x8 =32 if i do 1 every sq. ft. and i usually yield about 32 - 40 g. per plant now using 600w ...so if i just let them get a bit larger 64 x at lease 42g ......ok price went up....... so i should shoot for 64 site flowering room






ANY IDEAS ON A CHEAPER WAY OTHER THEN 4' X 8' TABLES meaning res and pots and lots of pebbles

CannabisCloset said:

ok so you say 6 x 600w hps and 2x 4' by 8' flood tables and what like 2x t8 over another 4' by 8' table? how many site for the yield i want to see? 4x8 =32 if i do 1 every sq. ft. and i usually yield about 32 - 40 g. per plant now using 600w ...so if i just let them get a bit larger 64 x at lease 42g ......ok price went up....... so i should shoot for 64 site flowering room ANY IDEAS ON A CHEAPER WAY OTHER THEN 4' X 8' TABLES meaning res and pots and lots of pebbles

Click to expand...

with a lot of other things going right you could maybe yeild one lb. per each 600w. especially with that many plants.

if you're looking for cheap you might look into the Hempy style. If you can get a 4 cu. ft. bag of perlite anywhere nearby for a decent price.
.

CannabisCloset said:

and so it starts. my new room

about 12ft. x 16ft.

i have about 3 to 5 k to spend on start up i

have only grown hydroponically with ebb

flood & drain i want to stay hydro but have

been told i should try soil.

i might try half and half who knows.

also i have been doing research on t8s i think

6 toob 4 fts. prob like 5 mabe 6 of them for

the whole life of the plant

i have only used 2x 600w HPS for the

whole life of the plant.








ok i bet i missed thing but this is a start of

a new thread so its all good.






WHAT I AM ASKING is ;


Ideas on lighting with consideration to

HEAT AND ELECTRICITY (t8s are next to nothing to run compaired to 600w hps @ about 30-40 mo.)

such as how many and so on


I want to yield 6 to 8 lbs. quickly

HYDRO vs SOIL (remember i have never done soil, heard its much easier then hydro)

if i go w hps's i will need cooling help with the size

also

C02

new nutes (i use green fuse, and GH)

if soil what kind and so on

EVERYTHING AND ANYTHIG YOU WOULD LIKE TO INPUT

3-5k to spend
MY GOAL 6-8 LB



has anyone flowered with t8s??

Click to expand...

You have a huge amount of space and a decent budget. Stick to the Ebb & flow it has always been faster & better for me than dirt.


Lights... Heat isnt that big of deal in a 16x16 room, reguardless of the lighting system you will need ventilation and oder controll and your space is large. If your looking for the biggest quickest yield then go with the HID lamps with that big area.

To figure out how much the electric bill will be add up the wattage of all the bulbs.
Watts X hours / 1000 = KWH then multiply that by the price per KWH.


My bloom room is 12 x 12 and I have six 600w HPS bulbs with 18 plants in an ebb & flow (hydroton medium) with co2 (the co2 is $30 a week to fill the tank I will be switching to a co2 generator next time arround) Carbon filter, 450cfm fan, Ozone generator, High amp relay for the lighting, mylar, General Hydroponics line of neutrients, and 2 osiclating fans. I can put 18 clones (24 to 36in) in there and 2 months later I have atleast that amount that your wishing to accomplish but I dont do it that way. I work a rotation instead so I am harvesting a few plants every 3 weeks or so while replacing the harvested ones with new clones.

My system is http://www.hydroponics.net/c/96 but I have a friend that has a lower tech system and not as much lumen per sq ft as me but he does it just so differant than me. I will grow big bushy plants and any more than 18 plants and it just seems too crowded for my liking. My buddy who has 4 sheets of 4x8 marine plywood configured in a table thats angled so the water drains out in 1 spot and drains into his resivour. The table is filled with 50 6in pots with drippers and they drain onto the table which drains back into the res. We grow the same strain and I will get more yield with my 18 than him with his 50 lolipops but I think that this is mainly because I use better neuts, CO2 and have 1200w more light in less square footage. I also belive that my thumb is greener than his rofl..


I grow my "mothers" in dirt and I germinate in dirt also. Ok so I germinate seeds in nice soil that I mix up myself and I will grow that plant untill I am able to take a 3 node clipping. I root this clone useing hydroton as the medium. It takes about a week to root and 1 to 2 weeks of veg time before I sex it. Shortly after I know its sex the mother is ready to give me more clones. I have done feminized seeds and had the clones in the hydro out growing there dirt mothers after 3 weeks of veg. So I am convinced its slower or atleast for me it is rofl.

sounds nice Syriuslydelyrius ... you need a picture journal. p.m. me if you ever start one please.
.

sounds like some monster plants thanks for your input

anymore ideas or anyone that yields 5.5 lb per harvest that would like to share their setup? goodlook people

DaGambler said:

sounds nice Syriuslydelyrius ... you need a picture journal. p.m. me if you ever start one please.
.

Click to expand...

If its made totally legal I may make some journals but the way the laws are now I just am rather paranoid and I am anal about it even useing a proxy server for weed websites. I just figure I have no problem describing my system and sharing my knowledge take it for whatever you feel its worth.

Yeah I most likley wont be making journals. I dont even keep a paper journal in the grow room its all in my head where it belongs. Yeah yeah the MAN has bigger fish to fry than me and its legal for medical in my state but I still have the right to be paranoid because the federal goverment has been tossing people in jail for this non violent act for years and years. So by no means will I make it easy for them lol.


The auther of this post sent me an IM with a bunch of questions and I found it hard to answer them all in under 5000 chars rofl.. So if you got more questions just add them onto this post I am subscribed to it.

stephen94 said:

are you sayin 9 sq ft? a 3x3 square??? jw cos my grow box is 3x3x3' and i was thinking of using a 400W HPS with conversion bulb, because 600w hps is for one to much electric cost im assuming and 2 the heat is an issue

Click to expand...

A 400w HID in a 3x3x3 box?? Are you trying to build an easybake oven? figure on having 2000 to 3000 lumen per sq ft.

In a 3x3x3 box a 250w HID would be plenty good and alot easier to keep cool than the 400w. Still going to want good ventilation or use CFL's in that small area instead.

Co2 boost bucket?? has anyone used this .........$120 for the kit and $100 for a refill..they say its good for 1200 - 1500 ppm in a 10x10x10ft = 1000room so...12x16x8 = 1536 so 2 buckets and it says 75 - 90 days if you only use it when the lights on so is spending $240 starting and $200 each FULL cycle after that for C02 and less hassle with refilling a bottle every week - 2 weeks


also anyone used humidity absorbers before??? ones for camping around $4-8 just trying to lower a small closet @ 50% in flower AHHH gotta get it down

if anyone is still reading this that is

I havent used those co2 boost buckets. I have used both tanks and a generator and filling a propane tank once a month is alot nicer however the cost is heat so good ventilation is a must. Those co2 booster bucket things I googled and they were $140 bucks and $100 for each refill bucket. I cant tell you if and how well those buckets will work but they are about the same monthly costs as co2 tanks would be and we all know how well they work. However still if you can afford the higher start up costs of a co2 generator your going to save more money in the long run.

co2 boost bucket = $140 startup + $100 per month
co2 tanks = $200+ startup + $120 per month (this is at my local price of $30 a week)
co2 generator(propane) = $300+ startup $20 per month

For humidity, temp, co2 and etc, there is a correct way to do things. Try to cut corners or take short cuts on things and you will see it in the end results. Do some research and look arround at all the differant enviromental controlls that are avaiable and go with the one that best fits your needs and budget. There are controllers that will regulate tempature, others have options to operate a dehumidifyer and/or air conditioner, some of these controllers have options for c02 and day/night sensors, others include recycling timers and whatever else all packaged into 1 box.

I am not saying go out and spend all the money you can on enviroment controlls and co2 but spend what money you do spend as wisely as you can so keep asking questions and research the hell out of everything.