New large grow.
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Sephiroth29182
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you have been the greatest help bro
Honestly you’re right I truly need an electrician to come by that is 420 friendly!
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You are wayyy too sassy for a 420 forum
bk78
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No u r
Im actually intrigued, and eager to learn to grow that much bud in a year. Real talk.
MidnightSun72
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that one is actually doable maybe?? Lol. Here's my math.
and it only works with true sub 8 week cultivars.
But let's say he gets 60 lbs. To do this he needs to hit 6 cycles a year @ or under 8 weeks. He will have to pull the 8 plants out of the flower room and put 8 more the same day they are ready.
this results in 10lbs per cycle or 1.25lbs/ plant.
20oz out 1 plant in 8 weeks.
bk78
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Pics?
MidnightSun72
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DMing dick pics now as requested.
bk78
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”grabs USB scope”
Sephiroth29182
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Toe pics only
MidnightSun72
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Ahhhh a connoisseur amongst us!!!
Lol dude you are in luck cuz mine looks like a toe.
This when she was first in veg stage
Now she's about 60lbs
To get an idea.
I'm using 6000-7000w and pulling 20+ every cycle with 4 cycles a year for 80?+. Works out to be able 1.
4-1.6 grams per watt.
You do however need a stretchy strain if you want to keep plant numbers low. Let it stretch out veg to fill your area, scrog it so each node acts like its own little plant. Blast the lights high again for close nodes.
You also need a fast finisher. Eg. Critical plus or northern lights is rated 7-8weeks flower.
Knowing you're using more wattage, you can defintely hit 100# a year with effort if you're hitting 1.5gr/w+ regularly with a fast plant. And new age LEDs
Feel free to pm me with questions anytime, I have several largish rooms running. And probably can show you an d get into every little detail.
I'm using 6000-7000w and pulling 20+ every cycle with 4 cycles a year for 80?+. Works out to be able 1.
4-1.6 grams per watt.
You do however need a stretchy strain if you want to keep plant numbers low. Let it stretch out veg to fill your area, scrog it so each node acts like its own little plant. Blast the lights high again for close nodes.
You also need a fast finisher. Eg. Critical plus or northern lights is rated 7-8weeks flower.
Knowing you're using more wattage, you can defintely hit 100# a year with effort if you're hitting 1.5gr/w+ regularly with a fast plant. And new age LEDs
Feel free to pm me with questions anytime, I have several largish rooms running. And probably can show you an d get into every little detail.
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Sephiroth29182
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I am working on the electricity this weekend.
I have a box rated for 150amps not 200. The houses power isn’t really a huge deal because nobodies there at night and during the day they’re sleeping. The house currently puts out 58 amps in the middle of the day with the household items running and with 2 lights at 750watts on 120v and one fan running.
I would like to install a 50Amp circuit breaker (I have two spots for the double pole circuit) with a 8 light switch controller for 8000watts
The directions for the one I want to purchase say use 8/2 wire but a lot of people are saying use 10/2. Is 8/2 the way to go if that’s the directions or should I go with the 10/2 you previously suggested ?
Titan Controls 8-Light Controller, 240V - Spartan Series https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WBZZUKW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_VE2GY6GEYHMCKASCEWRG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Sephiroth29182
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Awesome man I really appreciate your advice. I’m currently figuring out my wiring situation. And am going to install a 50 amp Circuit this
Titan Controls 8-Light Controller, 240V - Spartan Series https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WBZZUKW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_VE2GY6GEYHMCKASCEWRG?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The directions say 8/2 wire but I’ve had a lot of people say 10/2. What’s your take on this ?
My updated plan is as follows:
150sq ft. flower room with the six Hps 1000w lights. Attached to that titan 8 light controller.
150 sq fr flower room with 8 p4000 attached to a titan 8 light controller.
75-100sqft I will have 2 Hps 1000watts handling the vegging, cloning and mothers.
MidnightSun72
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How many moms/clones you have? I know people love the best and most efficient lights for the flower room. But technically it's smarter to run your veg more efficiently because it usually runs 18-24h of the day so it's running during the high $$ rate times as well. I think a couple of those QBs would light a great veg area.
First of all, never listen to what people recommend for power because you HAVEN'T detailed on how/where/ it will be installed.
I see that unit is rated at 8000w! its 8Awg ( 8.36mm2)
in 240v that is 33.3a !
If you're running 6000w @ 240v thats 25a being used!
However, consider inefficiencies from the drivers etc and call it 30a to be safe!
Also TRY never to go above 80% of your cable capacity ! Its a golden rule in my country
A 10AWG will handle it "DEPENDING" on the run.
An 8AWG is a safer bet but also "DEPENDING" on the run.
I say this because the length of the run, where it's installed can all derate a cable!
I see that unit is rated at 8000w! its 8Awg ( 8.36mm2)
in 240v that is 33.3a !
If you're running 6000w @ 240v thats 25a being used!
However, consider inefficiencies from the drivers etc and call it 30a to be safe!
Also TRY never to go above 80% of your cable capacity ! Its a golden rule in my country
A 10AWG will handle it "DEPENDING" on the run.
An 8AWG is a safer bet but also "DEPENDING" on the run.
I say this because the length of the run, where it's installed can all derate a cable!
Sephiroth29182
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Touché.
I’m think 12-25 plants per flower room
And 25-50 veg to replace those flower when ready. I’m starting smaller and seeing as I go what I can handle.
I think you may be right on putting some LEDs with the Veg
Sephiroth29182
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basement panel is right outside where the room is.
the wire would run 15-20’max !
also I cannot thank you all enough for the help.
I don’t like the idea of it just handling. I want the safest option ! So 8Awg(8.36mm2) is my best bet!
20ft is nothing! but yes! definitely use the larger option. In case you want to add a heater or even more lights as that timer is capable of up to 8000w!
Overkill/overengineered/redundancy is always best!
I'm using a 7AWG (10mm2 actually in metric) with a 65ft run (above insulation) to a 7400w room with no heat issues i can see using a FLIR thermal.
To be honest, 10AWG will handle it easily ! but won't give you the flexibiliy with peace of mine if you decide to add more lights.
I should add, using this much power,
Its actually EXTREMELY important that the connections are all perfect.
I've had a 6mm2 cable (7 stranded) run loaded with about 29a. The electrician somehow managed to break 1 of the 7 strands before screwing it into the breaker. Slowly the breaker must have arc'ed or something causing the connection to go all black, of course this didn't happen overnight but over the course of close to a year!
Its actually EXTREMELY important that the connections are all perfect.
I've had a 6mm2 cable (7 stranded) run loaded with about 29a. The electrician somehow managed to break 1 of the 7 strands before screwing it into the breaker. Slowly the breaker must have arc'ed or something causing the connection to go all black, of course this didn't happen overnight but over the course of close to a year!
Monster_of_Au
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When running electricty like that make sure to have connections in a box and I prefer to wrap the wire nuts with electrician tape after they are on tight and tested. make it a bitch to take off tho.
You probably already know this goofy but some other people might not
A e o n
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Picture probably wouldn't help much here, though I will get around to posting some. I suggest Hydro DTW especially for a new grow; get a 300-800 gal stock tank from local farm supply store, drop in a big pump (1000+GPH) on timer, distribute with tubing to each plant. The key to high yields indoors it to maximize lighting via complete canopy coverage, pruning teks, reflectivity, and lighting overlap. You can use one nutrient res EC/PH for all plants at all stages (except seeds and clones) once you get it dialed in. Fill up res with only synthetic/clear nutes, turn on pump/timer, set and forget; when its empty then repeat. Only clean once a year. Increase fertigation frequency to decrease quantity of media needed. Ive gotten 2.2lbs from 3 gallons of coco, I believe I can get that much with 2 gallons of media in my new style of hydroponic systems Ive designed called OP-DWC
Floor drains in there? That would be perfect for DTW, if not use a "sump" tank+pump to collect runoff and divert it to the drain