NEWS: New Red diode from Osram

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KitnerPush

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So, Osram recently released a new 3737 Red diode which is 11% more efficient than previous generation.

Another thing worth mentioning is that the peak wavelengths are shifted from 646nm-666nm from previous generation to 665nm-680nm. So more towards the 700nm mark.

I'm not sure the difference justifies the cost for home growers, but with increasing energy costs it may be worth noting when making decisions in the future.

Personally I would like to see more red light coming from red diodes over full spectrum white ones.

OSCONIQ P 3737 high-power LED - ams-osram - ams

ams-osram.com ams-osram.com
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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I've been looking at this too. I would already be running these if it wasn't for the odd ball 3737 footprint. I cannot find mcpcb in this size, not that I've looked that hard yet. But the price on these aren't bad if you buy 200 they're like a dollar each right? They have a couple horticulture whites in this line as well as a 630 nm and far red. I would like to do a build with all of these. Cree has an updated xpg3 photo red with similar efficiency, only they are unreal expensive like $3.50 each.
 
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Frankindank

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Footprint and solder pads are not the same thing. You are asking for the wrong thing.
Check the solder pads measurements of XPG3 3535 and the Osram osconiq 3737 ;)
There is a reason Osram made this package and didn't just put the bigger epi into the oslon square package.
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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Frankindank said:
Footprint and solder pads are not the same thing. You are asking for the wrong thing.
Check the solder pads measurements of XPG3 3535 and the Osram osconiq 3737 ;)
There is a reason Osram made this package and didn't just put the bigger epi into the oslon square package.
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So can I use a 3535 mcpcb for these diodes, or do I have to buy separate boards?
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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You got me down a rabbit hole, lol. I haven't dug into this very deep yet anyways here's the deminsions, sorry if my terminology isn't proper, I'm a cnc machinist so bare with me. First 2 are cree 3535 and then osram 3737
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Jonesfamily7715

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Id say close but no cigar. I wouldn't try it anyways. Osram has a bigger thermal pad by . 5mm , I didn't know this till just now. Wonder how much that will help the thermal performance of this chip
 
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't manufacturers include red diodes to boost their umole ratings? I seem to remember that MIGRO was saying that. My understanding is that white diodes already have those red frequencies in the spectrum, anyway.
 
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KitnerPush

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tstick said:
Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't manufacturers include red diodes to boost their umole ratings? I seem to remember that MIGRO was saying that. My understanding is that white diodes already have those red frequencies in the spectrum, anyway.
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Well yeah, that's true to an extent, and you can get quite high red from 3000k diodes, but the more phosphorous you put in them, the less efficient they become. The added 660nm red also peaks higher than the red in whites quite considerably.
 
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KitnerPush

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Rocket Soul said:
Has anyone found details on the 640nm version of this diode? Cant seem to find any datasheet on it, only the other versions
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Not sure why they have 2 far reds GF 1 and 2? I don't think the 640 is released yet. The 3737 were advertised many months ago, but they were not available until recently. The white one is pretty impressive too at almost 10x PPF a lm301 from Sammy.
 
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KitnerPush

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Jonesfamily7715 said:
I've been looking at this too. I would already be running these if it wasn't for the odd ball 3737 footprint. I cannot find mcpcb in this size, not that I've looked that hard yet. But the price on these aren't bad if you buy 200 they're like a dollar each right? They have a couple horticulture whites in this line as well as a 630 nm and far red. I would like to do a build with all of these. Cree has an updated xpg3 photo red with similar efficiency, only they are unreal expensive like $3.50 each.
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Yeah, Osram is quite good on price for what you get. Always have been.
 
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KitnerPush

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Jonesfamily7715 said:
So can I use a 3535 mcpcb for these diodes, or do I have to b
Frankindank said:
Footprint and solder pads are not the same thing. You are asking for the wrong thing.
Check the solder pads measurements of XPG3 3535 and the Osram osconiq 3737 ;)
There is a reason Osram made this package and didn't just put the bigger epi into the oslon square package.
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I haven't checked the datasheets for both, are you saying the 3737 has a 3535 solder pad?
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Jonesfamily7715

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Nope definitely not, the solder pads aee different if you look at the specs the thermal pad In the middle is .5 mm bigger on the 3737, while the +&- are smaller. It looks like you might be able to make it work, but I doubt it I wouldn't try it.
 
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Frankindank

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Just want to put this out there...if you are paying $3.5 for an XPG3 your getting ripped off and has nothing to do with Cree. They go for .85 all day long.
.5 or less for a real company doing volume.

And it wasn't really a question of if you could get them to fit and work. They do. Space from pad to pad is key. Thought you were the guy reflowing adura boards in your oven. But sounds like you don't want to play with LEDs. Just want something already made. Google away then.

301's are a .2a(.5w) led. Osconiq 3737 is a 1.4a(3w). Efficiency could be garbage with the 3737 and still out PPF a 301. PPF is total. LIke saying a pick up holds more stuff than a corvette...duh.
Why would you not compare the 351h reds to it like an actual apples to apples? It is more effeicnt and would show a relevant comparison.
 
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Frankindank said:
Just want to put this out there...if you are paying $3.5 for an XPG3 your getting ripped off and has nothing to do with Cree. They go for .85 all day long.
.5 or less for a real company doing volume.

And it wasn't really a question of if you could get them to fit and work. They do. Space from pad to pad is key. Thought you were the guy reflowing adura boards in your oven. But sounds like you don't want to play with LEDs. Just want something already made. Google away then.

301's are a .2a(.5w) led. Osconiq 3737 is a 1.4a(3w). Efficiency could be garbage with the 3737 and still out PPF a 301. PPF is total. LIke saying a pick up holds more stuff than a corvette...duh.
Why would you not compare the 351h reds to it like an actual apples to apples? It is more effeicnt and would show a relevant comparison.
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The osconic comes both in a midpower white version, 3030, and a larger 3737 version.
Jonesfamily7715 said:
If anyone knows a distributor in the US who sells a MCPCB in 3737 footprint please share, preferably multiple diodes 3 up or 4
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The next rabbithole is making your own pcbs, there are several services online doing this aswell as the regular alibubbers.
 
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Get Glass Distribution 77

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KitnerPush said:
So, Osram recently released a new 3737 Red diode which is 11% more efficient than previous generation.

Another thing worth mentioning is that the peak wavelengths are shifted from 646nm-666nm from previous generation to 665nm-680nm. So more towards the 700nm mark.

I'm not sure the difference justifies the cost for home growers, but with increasing energy costs it may be worth noting when making decisions in the future.

Personally I would like to see more red light coming from red diodes over full spectrum white ones.

OSCONIQ P 3737 high-power LED - ams-osram - ams

ams-osram.com ams-osram.com
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Am just giving my thoughts but that's Awesome that this is the kind of advancement LED technology should continue in such fashion. Planning to upgrade your lights with these new diodes?
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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Rocket Soul said:
The next rabbithole is making your own pcbs, there are several services online doing this aswell as the regular alibubbers
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I have the materials and a little desktop CNC engraving machine only thing holding me back is not enough hours in the day, i work to many hours and all my extra time has been going to my outdoor, after harvest it would be a cool project to start, and save a lot on diy builds.
 
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