On The Topic Of Addiction and Legalization

boofin

Member
Evening RIU community,

Ive been paying attention to the rising debate over legalization of medical and recreational marijuana and i have seen something lacking. There is this a basic misunderstanding on what addiction actually is. Addiction and chemical dependency are totally separate issues.

For professional reasons I want to keep some anonymity but I work in the medical field in an autonomous role. I have done this job for 12 years and during my career I spent 8 months living and working with inpatient addicts in a recovery program.

The most commonly accepted view of addiction is that it is a symptom. A symptom of something more troubling, the addiction serves as a distraction. Take away the distraction, address the issues and the "addiction" will be contained. I say contained as I dont want to give the impression that the addict cant relapse, which Ill try to explain...Addiction can take many shapes, from illicit and prescription drugs to food and exercise. Its a compulsive behavior in defense of stress, anger or pain as a means of escapism.

Chemical dependance is what many people assume with the term addiction. Several medications (vicoden, percoset, valium) and illicit drugs (heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine) can create a strong physical dependance on a substance. In the medical field the doctor increases the dose, on the street people become desperate and rob, cheat and steal. They are both chemically dependent on the (lets say) opiate. One is an addict with a painful past, the other is a patient. Physiologically they are the same, psychologically they are different.

I can further back any of this up if someone wants empirical data etc, I just hope that this can in some way help bring some clarity to the topic

OK I have rambled on away for a bit now... I could keep on going for hours :)

Do some good in the world everybody :hug:
 

boofin

Member
Addiction is a psychological issue. It doesnt matter what the substance (or activity) is.

Chemical dependency is a physiological issue, where your body needs a substance.

Its like this:

Chest pain is a symptom of coronary artery disease (Addiction is a symptom of emotional distress)

Running up a flight of stairs might give someone with coronary artery disease chest pain. But not everybody will have chest pain ... using marijuana might be addictive for an addict. but not everybody will be addicted.

Addicts are addicts before they ever use.
 

TigerClock

Well-Known Member
Oh like your point is when i stoped using cocaine and xanax suddenly i had my first secizures and with mj that wont happen. Basically or am i still lost.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
when speaking in terms of chemicals and drugs, it is a physical dependence that is commonly referred to as "addiction". since one can become addicted to any substance or action, it makes little sense to base a prohibition on what is essentially a preexisting psychological condition. that anti-marijuana advocates so often confuse the two and combine them under the heading of "addiction" is all part of the hypocrisy of their campaign.
 

boofin

Member
Prettymuch...

You dont have the "seizures" etc when you stop using marijuana because your body doesnt develop a "need" for marijuana. It does develop a need for cocaine and heroin.

That is Chemical dependency in a nut shell

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If every time you got mad, angry or just stressed out you ran 5 miles, and thats all you knew to do to feel better... then running is your addiction
If every time you got mad, angry or just stressed out you ate a cheeseburger, and thats all you knew to do to feel better... then eating cheeseburgers is your addiction
If every time you got mad, angry or just stressed out you drank alcohol, and thats all you knew to do to feel better... then alcohol is your addiction

Addiction has nothing to do with the substance...
 

boofin

Member
Prettymuch...

You dont have the "seizures" etc when you stop using marijuana because your body doesnt develop a "need" for marijuana. It does develop a need for cocaine and heroin.

That is Chemical dependency in a nut shell

----

If every time you got mad, angry or just stressed out you ran 5 miles, and thats all you knew to do to feel better... then running is your addiction
If every time you got mad, angry or just stressed out you ate a cheeseburger, and thats all you knew to do to feel better... then eating cheeseburgers is your addiction
If every time you got mad, angry or just stressed out you drank alcohol, and thats all you knew to do to feel better... then alcohol is your addiction

Addiction has nothing to do with the substance...
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
Evening RIU community,

Ive been paying attention to the rising debate over legalization of medical and recreational marijuana and i have seen something lacking. There is this a basic misunderstanding on what addiction actually is. Addiction and chemical dependency are totally separate issues.

For professional reasons I want to keep some anonymity but I work in the medical field in an autonomous role. I have done this job for 12 years and during my career I spent 8 months living and working with inpatient addicts in a recovery program.

The most commonly accepted view of addiction is that it is a symptom. A symptom of something more troubling, the addiction serves as a distraction. Take away the distraction, address the issues and the "addiction" will be contained. I say contained as I dont want to give the impression that the addict cant relapse, which Ill try to explain...Addiction can take many shapes, from illicit and prescription drugs to food and exercise. Its a compulsive behavior in defense of stress, anger or pain as a means of escapism.

Chemical dependance is what many people assume with the term addiction. Several medications (vicoden, percoset, valium) and illicit drugs (heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine) can create a strong physical dependance on a substance. In the medical field the doctor increases the dose, on the street people become desperate and rob, cheat and steal. They are both chemically dependent on the (lets say) opiate. One is an addict with a painful past, the other is a patient. Physiologically they are the same, psychologically they are different.

I can further back any of this up if someone wants empirical data etc, I just hope that this can in some way help bring some clarity to the topic

OK I have rambled on away for a bit now... I could keep on going for hours :)

Do some good in the world everybody :hug:
I would like to hear your views on cannabis induced psychosis. The new pet talking point of the anti-legalization rabble.
 

boofin

Member
I would like to hear your views on cannabis induced psychosis. The new pet talking point of the anti-legalization rabble.
Love to explane, what I know at least...

The basic principle of cannabis induced psychosis is this

Some people who smoke cannabis have developed a deep psychotic episode... Short version, they loose connection with reality totally for a couple days... Those patients who have these episodes show a higher chance of becoming schizophrenic.

THis doesnt proove anything, you could argue this saying that all those people ate pork ribs, got the "itis" and then later developed schizpohrenia... there is no empirical data to support that smoking marijuana causes this psychosis, if anything, smoking marijuana activates schizophrenia in people who were already going to develop schizophrenia

As i understand it
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
Love to explane, what I know at least...

The basic principle of cannabis induced psychosis is this

Some people who smoke cannabis have developed a deep psychotic episode... Short version, they loose connection with reality totally for a couple days... Those patients who have these episodes show a higher chance of becoming schizophrenic.

THis doesnt proove anything, you could argue this saying that all those people ate pork ribs, got the "itis" and then later developed schizpohrenia... there is no empirical data to support that smoking marijuana causes this psychosis, if anything, smoking marijuana activates schizophrenia in people who were already going to develop schizophrenia

As i understand it
I have another explanation. People don't develop schizophrenia by smoking cannabis. They use Cannabis to try and self-medicate the early symptoms of Schizophrenia. The problem was already there. It was being masked by Cannabis use.

By the way: Loose means not tight. Lose means to misplace.
 

boofin

Member
I have another explanation. People don't develop schizophrenia by smoking cannabis. They use Cannabis to try and self-medicate the early symptoms of Schizophrenia. The problem was already there. It was being masked by Cannabis use.

By the way: Loose means not tight. Lose means to misplace.
Excellent point! I believe that could most be a point worth asking... But you get what Im saying and I appreciate that :)

Yea, Im a poor speller, always way
 
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