organic vs chemical vs elements

For years I've grown in soil.
I've enjoyed growing organically, it makes you feel proud....
go ahead say it. "I grew my weed organically"
We almost wear it on our chest like a badge of honor.

you get your various products, your bat guano and what not...
you brew your tea and wholla you fed your soil, which fed your roots,
which fed your plant.

Now i get.... the initial fear when you hear someone who is not growing organically...
but its a misnomer to judge a salt based grow vs organic,
as you would lets say an organic/free range chicken vs perdue...

In the instance of growing a pot plant, all a non organic grow means is,
getting your nutrients from salt based compounds to form the needed levels on n-p-k.
now remember above we mentioned that.... you fed your soil, which fed your roots,
which fed your plant. think about that, its pretty inefficient, dont ya think?

Its very inefficient, to say the least.
Using a soilless grow or a hydro grow using salt based nutes,
you can eliminate alot of that and use the roots to feed your
plant directly, why because (in simple terms) the salt based
nutes are more easily digested by the plant, hence the increase
in yeild. Which can be dramatic.

I hear people refer to salt based nutrients as "using chemicals"
this is not a good term (chemical)
a better term would be "element"
just my opinion

Good thread. Although im guilty of looking down on "chemicle" grown buds. Why. For me its medicine. Medicine should be clean and safe. Snd not give a headache.
Also its a myth that hydro always yeilds better. A dialed in soil program can easily yeils equal to over any hydro setup.

Also organic is much more eco friendly for anyone worried about being part of Monsanto style posineing of the earth. Let alone plastics not thrown out due to never using any packaged product.

And my final argument is quality. Ive lookedn all over. And nobodies medicine compares to my living organic soil. Thisnmayw sounds boastfull. But only organic friends here on riu have any produxt that compares. Imo of course.

green_machine_two9er said:

And my final argument is quality. Ive lookedn all over. And nobodies medicine compares to my living organic soil. Thisnmayw sounds boastfull. But only organic friends here on riu have any produxt that compares. Imo of course.

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My experience as well, I've even given herb to fellow growers and i'll tell them which strain it is, and they have to ask me again, because it's so completely different.
Most recently with the bluedream
It wasn't like I was the inventor of organics... I tried it.. and never went back.
Also when you take into account all the transport costs, environmental impact from the water disposal, bottles, etc.
coupled with recycling the soil, adding biochar, having your own compost and worm bin, etc.
It's more of a philosophy for me, rather than simply a growing style.

green_machine_two9er said:

Good thread. Although im guilty of looking down on "chemicle" grown buds. Why. For me its medicine. Medicine should be clean and safe. Snd not give a headache.
Also its a myth that hydro always yeilds better. A dialed in soil program can easily yeils equal to over any hydro setup.

Also organic is much more eco friendly for anyone worried about being part of Monsanto style posineing of the earth. Let alone plastics not thrown out due to never using any packaged product.

And my final argument is quality. Ive lookedn all over. And nobodies medicine compares to my living organic soil. Thisnmayw sounds boastfull. But only organic friends here on riu have any produxt that compares. Imo of course.

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Hmmm. Why is this? Does synthetic give you a headache? The way i see it, microbes supply whats needed 24/7 as a synthetic grower kind of has to guess the ratios. I have a good friend that has been growing with synthetics for some time and its always fucking FIRE! His nutrient timing is on point and i think that plays a huggge part.

SPLFreak808 said:

Hmmm. Why is this? Does synthetic give you a headache?

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Along with many others.

While I will agree that a dialed in organic grow may rival the yields in hydro....no kid with a 3 pack of foxfarm is gonna come close.....and I like foxfarm, it just takes a lot more than that. as you said a dialed in grow,
that takes a lot of work, lifting, mixing and what not. an organic dirt farmer is gonna have to work there ass off to rival a hydro grow.

To be honest with you all, I'm getting old, have lots of health issues. and I just cant do all that work anymore.
By switching to hydro, I can cut my work load down to almost nothing. So much easier than soil.
high yields in dwc will be the answer for me to remain self sufficient.

I'm in the middle of switching to dwc at the moment. I just got my ro filter hooked up.
Organic soil is a lot of work compared to dwc.
Peace

justanoldtimer said:

While I will agree that a dialed in organic grow may rival the yields in hydro....no kid with a 3 pack of foxfarm is gonna come close.....and I like foxfarm, it just takes a lot more than that. as you said a dialed in grow,
that takes a lot of work, lifting, mixing and what not. an organic dirt farmer is gonna have to work there ass off to rival a hydro grow.

To be honest with you all, I'm getting old, have lots of health issues. and I just cant do all that work anymore.
By switching to hydro, I can cut my work load down to almost nothing. So much easier than soil.
high yields in dwc will be the answer for me to remain self sufficient.

I'm in the middle of switching to dwc at the moment. I just got my ro filter hooked up.
Organic soil is a lot of work compared to dwc.
Peace

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Why not try no till. Than no more heavy lifting. Maybe once every 4 runs. ( so im told, in only one run three with my no tills) and shit couldn't be easier. Hel put your notill pots on a rolling dolly to transport from veg to flower. Ezpz

green_machine_two9er said:

Along with many others.

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My synthetics used to do the same thing, i get nasty eye throbs after about 2-3 grams. I've been a ROLS guy for a couple years already because of this. But what im saying is my good buddy, whos got advanced nutrients stuck up his ass, actually does not give me a headace and he feeds small amounts EVERY watering. Why? Idk

My yields in hydro were far better than what I get from organic soil but the quality of the bud is so much better that I'll never switch back. I have not had to patronize a hydro shop in over a year nor spent a dime on my grow except for the power bill; my worm farm and soil amendments have been all I've needed to get AAA grade buds.
Funny you mention blue dream, grease. I just gave my bro in law another zip of BD & he swears it's something else because his old dealers BD tastes & looks nothing like it.
Living organic soil allows for more exotic quality with very minimal efforts; I think hydro is so much more work than organics. I used to hafta check ph, ppms, worry about root rot, water levels, running out of nutrient, etc etc...now I just water them & go to work

I use gh flora series and I personally call salt based nutes "mineral base".

Recently I saw my buddy who mixes no till with Neptune's harvest fish fertilizer , supreme Gardners kelp and mycos and nectar for the gods. He got buds double the size of mine in half the size pots of mine. So it's been years since I ran synthetics. I tried it on 2 plants. Kept the rest on coots recipe. Yield wasn't much different. Buds were bigger. But less dense. Less pungent flavor. The smoke was harsh. So I gave him all my bottles. (I got for free anyway at an expo) . With my organic grown. The flavor is better. The smell is better. Even a stale bong rip won't make me cough. No till all day. I regret trying the synthetics. I felt like a hippie-crit. But I was trying to get a bigger yield. It wasn't even worth it. No till for the win!!!

I have no problem getting real close to hydro yields in my water only ( I do 2 soils - 1 veg and 1 flower and use the flower at the last up pot and run 8-10 days then flip. I also re amend and recycle the soils.....The veg soils seem to work better the following runs - go figure!)

3 BD's last run averaged 10.4 zips per 5 gal pot! Same thing ya'all are seeing too as far as taste and smell. Synthetic guys taste it and say, "That's not BD! What is it really?"

As far as changing to hydro......You can go organic in hydro.....Hell man, the first year after being introduced,,,,,Gen Organics was used to win a HT cup! It works great but your going to be working to get that dial in - pH starts low. The good news about that is baking soda (organic up) is more stable then organic downs.

No till us mighty easy and better / cheaper for plants.

Richard Drysift said:

My yields in hydro were far better than what I get from organic soil but the quality of the bud is so much better that I'll never switch back. I have not had to patronize a hydro shop in over a year nor spent a dime on my grow except for the power bill; my worm farm and soil amendments have been all I've needed to get AAA grade buds.
Funny you mention blue dream, grease. I just gave my bro in law another zip of BD & he swears it's something else because his old dealers BD tastes & looks nothing like it.
Living organic soil allows for more exotic quality with very minimal efforts; I think hydro is so much more work than organics. I used to hafta check ph, ppms, worry about root rot, water levels, running out of nutrient, etc etc...now I just water them & go to work

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I think the bluedream is a reaaally good example of the difference, it looks, smells, tastes, and even performs differently.
another is the GSC, both of those done hydro look totally different than the organic versions, at least mine did.
Both hydro samples were denser, but typically commercial grows are using more watts than I do.
I just use two 600s
and I never did dial in my GSC, that lil bitch... I could have done better but it wasn't worth it, the smoke was really nice but I couldn't get much more than an oz a plant it seemed... when my others were getting 2.5- 4 oz a plant

My last 2 grows yielded "about a pound" and not counting electricity and equipment depreciation cost me $22. At the height of my chem usage, I am feeding 1/2 teaspoon of Jacks Citrus and 1/4 tsp of Epson per gallon. While I look forward to organic someday (maybe) at this point I scoff a bit at the siting of headaches etc. i will acquiess a bit on taste, but am tempted to post a Penn and Teller video.

ive never gotten a headache from any weed?

i could care less if its chem, organic or hydro..ive tried all...i do like smelling my soil, and organic takes the win there lol

Looking forward to the video.

If more people grew no-till, there would be less "headache." Soil done right is very simple

For-profit companies make guys wanna tweak and spend cash and buy equipment. It's the nature of capitalism. But it's not nature.

Rrog said:

Looking forward to the video.

If more people grew no-till, there would be less "headache." Soil done right is very simple

For-profit companies make guys wanna tweak and spend cash and buy equipment. It's the nature of capitalism. But it's not nature.

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problem is many humans simply have the compulsive nature to "adjust" things... especially males.
Once it occurs that plants grow themselves (often in SPITE of humans' interactions), but once that's realized, that's typically when the product really is improved, at least that was my "timeline"
For almost every aspect in our lives the end result is often improved upon by more tinkering, hard work, learning, etc. But with cannabis, it's counterintuitive... which is sorta hard to grasp.
Build the soil right, give it light, and water, that's it.
Sounds simple... right?

Rrog said:

Looking forward to the video.

If more people grew no-till, there would be less "headache." Soil done right is very simple

For-profit companies make guys wanna tweak and spend cash and buy equipment. It's the nature of capitalism. But it's not nature.

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The nature of freedom and the freedom of nature are two different beasts. Well said, friend.

No till is awesome this is my first cycle of it and I've grown in dwc and in coco yes the yields were good but smell and taste weren't the greatest and a lot of work with mixing and pHin everything I gave the plants. With no till all you do is keep the soil alive and the soil grows the plant for you super simple. Some teas and coconut water hear and there and that's it the soil does the rest hardly any work. I like it so much I'll never go back to bottled nutes again. And I've never grown such heathy looking plants till now, and hardly any work other than mixing nutes in soil to sit for 30days haha