Panel: Widespread waste and fraud in war spending

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. has lost billions of dollars to waste and fraud in Iraq and Afghanistan and stands to repeat that in future wars without big changes in how the government awards and manages contracts for battlefield support and reconstruction projects, independent investigators said Wednesday.

The Wartime Contracting Commission urged Congress and the Obama administration to quickly put in place its recommendations to overhaul the contracting process and increase accountability. The commission even suggested that the joint House-Senate debt reduction committee take a close look at the proposals.

"What you're asking for is more of the same," said Dov Zakheim, a commission member and the Pentagon comptroller during President George W. Bush's first term. "More waste. More fraud. More abuse."

The bipartisan commission, created by Congress in 2008, estimated that at least $31 billion and as much as $60 billion has been lost in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade due to lax oversight of contractors, poor planning, inadequate competition and corruption. "I personally believe that the number is much, much closer to $60 billion," Zakheim said.

Yet new legislation incorporating the changes could prove difficult with Republicans and Democrats divided over the best way to reduce the deficit.

Several of the proposals would require new spending, the commission acknowledged, and that would be a hard sell in an election year when reducing the size of government is a priority for many. Other proposals would cost little or simply require money to be shifted from one account to another, the panel said.

"If these recommendations are not implemented, there ought to be a Hall of Shame," said Michael Thibault, co-chairman of the commission. "There's an opportunity at hand."
The commission's 15 recommendations include creating an inspector general to monitor war zone contracting and operations, appointing a senior government official to improve planning and coordination among federal agencies, reducing the use of private security companies, and carefully monitoring contractor performance.

Massachusetts Rep. John Tierney, the top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform national security subcommittee, said Wednesday that the commission's findings are "alarming." Tierney said he plans to introduce legislation next week to create the inspector general's post.
Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., chairwoman of the Senate's contracting oversight subcommittee, said she plans to prepare legislation based upon the commission's recommendations.

The commission's report said contracting waste in Afghanistan and Iraq could grow as U.S. support for reconstruction projects and programs wanes. That would leave the countries to bear the long-term costs of sustaining the schools, medical clinics, barracks, roads and power plants already built with American money.

Overall, the commission said spending on contracts and grants to support U.S. operations is expected to exceed $206 billion by the end of the 2011 budget year. Based on its investigation, the commission said contracting waste in Afghanistan ranged from 10 percent to 20 percent of the $206 billion total. Fraud during the same period ran between 5 percent and 9 percent of the total, the report said. Fraud includes bribery, kickbacks, bid rigging and defective products, according to the commission.

"It is disgusting to think that nearly a third of the billions and billions we spent on contracting was wasted or used for fraud," McCaskill said.

Styled after the Truman Committee, which examined World War II spending six decades ago, the commission had broad authority to examine military support contracts, reconstruction projects and private security companies. But the law creating the commission set this September as the end of its work, even as contractors continue their heavy support of U.S. operations in the war zones.

Security, transportation, food preparation and delivery, and much more are now handled by the private sector. At the same time, the officials responsible for monitoring contractor performance have been overwhelmed by increasing reliance on private companies.

"We are far more reliant on contractors than we ever were," said commission member Charles Tiefer, a professor of government contracting at the University of Baltimore Law School. "We always bought munitions from them. But we didn't used to buy much in the way of services from them."

Col. David Lapan, a Defense Department spokesman, said the military shares the commission's commitment to improving wartime contracting and commended the panel "for shining a spotlight on the risks of overreliance on contractors" and highlighting the importance of accountability. Lapan also said the department already has taken steps to improve contracting, including devoting more people and resources to contract oversight.

But the Professional Services Council, a trade group representing federal contractors, said the commission's findings ignored the "messy realities" of working in combat zones. While the council agreed that government needs to plan better before undertaking large operations, it disputed the commission's conclusion that agencies rely too much on contractors.

The commission cited numerous examples of waste, including a $360 million U.S.-financed agricultural development program in Afghanistan. The effort began as a $60 million project in 2009 to distribute vouchers for wheat seed and fertilizer in drought-stricken areas of northern Afghanistan. The program expanded into the south and east. Soon the U.S. was spending a $1 million a day on the program, creating an environment ripe for waste and abuse, the commission said.

"Paying villagers for what they used to do voluntarily destroyed local initiatives and diverted project goods into Pakistan for resale," the commission said.

The Afghan insurgency's second largest funding source after the illegal drug trade is the diversion of money from U.S.-backed construction projects and transportation contracts, according to the commission. But the report does not say how much money has been funneled to the insurgency. The money typically is lost when insurgents and warlords threaten Afghan subcontractors with violence unless they pay for protection, according to the report.

The Associated Press reported this month that U.S. military authorities in Kabul believe $360 million has ended up in the hands of the Taliban, criminals and power brokers with ties to both. The military said only a small percentage of the $360 million has been garnered by the Taliban and insurgent groups. Most of the money was lost to profiteering, bribery and extortion by criminals and power brokers.






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the problem with the current way the US conducts wars is that it relies to much on private contractors.

the food is cooked by private companies, the housing is built by private companies, the clothes is washed by private companies, the toilets are privately owned... the cost plus profit way military defense contracts work allows these companies to 'jack up' their costs without any fear b/c they know they get a guaranteed 40% profit margin.

there have been instances where the company owns a truck and the truck needs an alternator, well, instead of shipping an alternator, they set the truck on fire, blame it on militants/insurgents/terrorists, and ship a NEW truck in. true story.
 
I don't see why anyone would ever have a problem with this when in return we get to invade/occupy sovereign nations, dictate policy, set up "American Branded Democracy", and as a party bonus....we get to kill people because we say they're bad.
 
there have been instances where the company owns a truck and the truck needs an alternator, well, instead of shipping an alternator, they set the truck on fire, blame it on militants/insurgents/terrorists, and ship a NEW truck in. true story.

I've heard of this as well. It's crazy to think where our tax dollars go. The sad part is that we allow it to happen. We revolted against Great Britian for FAR less.
 
the problem with the current way the US conducts wars is that it relies to much on private contractors.

The problem is our whole foreign policy. The government handing out billions in international welfare and ready to invade sovereign nations at the drop of a hat. Invade countries that pose no threat to the US, invade them based on lies.
Private contractors is not the problem. Private contractors allow for a smaller, more efficient military. Just because the current system allows for corruption doesn't mean the idea is bad. No bid contracts, no chance of losing a contract and no oversight of costs are what make this unpalatable.
It all stems from people not taking responsibility. Another byproduct of our socialist indoctrination. You don't learn responsibility if every time you get in trouble, Uncle Sam comes along to bail you out. You don't learn responsibility if you're getting more from the government than you've put in. You don't learn responsibility if you are taught that the government is only there to provide for you.
 
you are contradicting yourself. the foreign policy isn't what's to blame. the foreign policy of the bush years might be shit, but that doesn't necessarily force the military to be inefficient. see, because in the military, there's this thing called ACCOUNTABILITY. if you fuck up, you are held responsible, no matter how big or how small the fuck up.

as much as you parrot individual responsibility, we have seen how large corporations give it's senior executives the ability to never be held responsible for bad decision making. by definition a corporation offers the protection of limited liability to it's share holders. socialistic indoctrination?? it's more like a capitalist wonderland.

in the private sector accountability goes to shit. a smaller military doesn't equal a more efficient way to conduct war. privatized war services from food, to lodging, to IT services, to construction, to laundry, has created a private military complex which has threatened our national security.

you can take that to the bank.
 
the problem with the current way the US conducts wars is that it relies to much on private contractors.

The problem with our wars is that they are ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. We invade other people countries under this pretense of "liberating and freeing them" yet all we do is occupy, take their resources, control their government, bomb places, kill innocents, mark the angry population who fight against us for invading and killing their country folk as terrorists and claim the war on terrorism "isn't " over, how do you not so that hypocracy in that ?


American's are shameless and have lost touch with what it means to promote freedom, instead we promote our ideas of freedom on other regions of the world therefore oppressing other people and say it's all in the name of democracy.

I can't even imagine how you justify this in your head.
 
The problem with our wars is that they are ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. We invade other people countries under this pretense of "liberating and freeing them" yet all we do is occupy, take their resources, control their government, bomb places, kill innocents, mark the angry population who fight against us for invading and killing their country folk as terrorists and claim the war on terrorism "isn't " over, how do you not so that hypocracy in that ?


American's are shameless and have lost touch with what it means to promote freedom, instead we promote our ideas of freedom on other regions of the world therefore oppressing other people and say it's all in the name of democracy.

I can't even imagine how you justify this in your head.

I think most people don't have to justify it because they couldn't care less. It doesn't affect the average Joe Six Pack in any way. He's too busy working 60+ hours a week trying to not get foreclosed on. I'd say a small percentage actually knows and even cares about the "war on terror" or where Iraq and Afghanistan actually are in the world and their significants. Unless it has something to do with Lady Gaga or American Idol from last night nobody even cares. The people who do feel powerless to do anything about it. Take for example the poor suckers who voted for Obama. One of his main selling points was that he was going to end these frivolous wars. Did he? No. As a matter of fact he goes and sends more troops to Afghanistan. Then ironically wins a Nobel Peace Prize the following week...
 
I think most people don't have to justify it because they couldn't care less. It doesn't affect the average Joe Six Pack in any way. He's too busy working 60+ hours a week trying to not get foreclosed on. I'd say a small percentage actually knows and even cares about the "war on terror" or where Iraq and Afghanistan actually are in the world and their significants. Unless it has something to do with Lady Gaga or American Idol from last night nobody even cares. The people who do feel powerless to do anything about it. Take for example the poor suckers who voted for Obama. One of his main selling points was that he was going to end these frivolous wars. Did he? No. As a matter of fact he goes and sends more troops to Afghanistan. Then ironically wins a Nobel Peace Prize the following week...

It is a very frightening state of affairs. Ignorance is bliss right? As long as Americans have their cable TV and American Idol who acres about people being murdered overseas? This is another oversight of why our government is overstepping itself.

I remember him winning that peace, I was still in high school at the time but now that I look back it's enraging.

Btw, I love your avatar, great movie, even greater undertones.
 
It is a very frightening state of affairs. Ignorance is bliss right? As long as Americans have their cable TV and American Idol who acres about people being murdered overseas? This is another oversight of why our government is overstepping itself.

I remember him winning that peace, I was still in high school at the time but now that I look back it's enraging.

Btw, I love your avatar, great movie, even greater undertones.

at the time??? that was in 2008. not that long ago brah.

btw, it had nothing to do with his war policies,

it was because he was black and won the presidency in this RACIST nation.
 
at the time??? that was in 2008. not that long ago brah.

btw, it had nothing to do with his war policies,

it was because he was black and won the presidency in this RACIST nation.

Of course you bring racism into the debate, I'm not even going to respond to that because that's a one way road and it only promotes the idea that people don't accept human being and human beings regardless of skin color.
 
and since nobody cared to address the REAL issues, which is that the US was unprepared for war and had to sub contract nearly 40 to 50 percent of it's duties at cost + profit, the costs of engaging in war have gone up.

makes the war machine more efficient by reducing the size of the army is bullshit. it adds beurocracy b/c all of these civilians have to go through background checks and security clearances regularly reserved for US government officials and military members. it adds an extra level of 'paperwork', makes the war machine less efficient b/c there is a lack of communication and a lack of accountability b/c of the jurisdictional mess that is operating in another country at war.... the military cannot take jurisdiction over civilians and civilian law enforcement cannot take jurisdiction over things that happen in another country.

but no, let's blame the government, the president's still black.....
 
Of course you bring racism into the debate, I'm not even going to respond to that because that's a one way road and it only promotes the idea that people don't accept human being and human beings regardless of skin color.

it's addressing why he won the nobel peace prize.

what's worse, admitting we are in a racist nation which for the first time in almost 50 presidents elected somebody who's not white?? or treating that fact as taboo??? you can't bear the though of thinking this great nation is racist, then you are delusional my friend.
 
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