Paul Ryan (R-WI) guts billions from veteran's benefits

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beenthere

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You're like a little kid Bucky.
The bill was from one republican Paul Ryan and one democrat Patty Murry.
The house had to vote up or down on the bill, no amendments.

The republicans in the senate came up with an amendment to restore veterans benefits and the democrats shot it down.

Simple as that, the bill was written by a republican and a democrat and the democrat led senate fucked our veterans.
 
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ChesusRice

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These concerns over military pensions could prove problematic in getting the budget deal passed in the Senate. While the House passed it 332-94 Thursday evening with 169 Republicans voting for it--largely based on Ryan’s selling of it to the conference--these pension issues had not fully come to light by the time of the vote. In the Senate, GOP leaders--from Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to Minority Whip John Cornyn to GOP Conference Chairman John Thune--have each expressed disappointment with the deal and signaled they will vote against it.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, called on Republicans to attempt to block the budget deal from getting to a final passage vote in the Senate. Senate Majority Whip Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) has indicated that the Senate Democrats may not be unified, saying on Sunday that leadership will need eight Republicans to cross the line to vote for cloture.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/16/Paul-Ryan-budget-deal-cuts-military-pensions-to-pay-for-spending-increases
 
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beenthere

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You can copy and paste all you want, the fact remains, the democrats killed an republican amendment that would have restored the veterans benefits.
Now, are you man enough to admit this or are you going to continue to ignore it by copy and pasting irrelevant crap ?
 
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tokeprep

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UncleBuck said:
http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Articles-NEWS-and-COMMENTARY-c-2013-12-18-270331.112112-Paul-Ryan-defends-cut-to-military-and-veterans-benefits-in-his-proposed-budget.html

first the GOP shows their hatred of 9/11 first responders by blocking their healthcare for months, now they want to cut billions from veteran's benefits.

why does the GOP hate america, americans, and especially veterans and 9/11 first responders like this?
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Military retirement/pensions, like most public sector retirement/pension programs, are inexcusably generous. The house and senate took this step because they understand that fundamental truth. "It's been this way for x years" isn't a sufficient excuse to continue a practice that makes no sense.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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tokeprep said:
Military retirement/pensions, like most public sector retirement/pension programs, are inexcusably generous. The house and senate took this step because they understand that fundamental truth. "It's been this way for x years" isn't a sufficient excuse to continue a practice that makes no sense.
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you hate america now.
 
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tokeprep

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UncleBuck said:
you hate america now.
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I hate the idea that one person who started working at 18 gets to retire with generous public benefits at 50--with an expected 30 years on the public dole, almost more time than their public service--while another person who started working at the same age has to wait until 68, getting substantially less over a much shorter time.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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tokeprep said:
I hate the idea that one person who started working at 18 gets to retire with generous public benefits at 50--with an expected 30 years on the public dole, almost more time than their public service--while another person who started working at the same age has to wait until 68, getting substantially less over a much shorter time.
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well that's fine, i have no opinion on the matter.

but since you do feel that way, i feel i should inform you that yo now hate america.

sorry.
 
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tokeprep

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DutchKillsRambo said:
Citation? I see a lot of cardboard signs, don't mean it's true.
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Most homeless people are mentally ill. I suspect a significant portion of combat veterans are also mentally ill, having known some.

I've never seen combat but I understand how it could destroy someone as a person, having heard the stories of people who lived it. In the modern era we send our dumbest, least able people into horrors unimaginable to the comfortable American populace.
 
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DutchKillsRambo

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tokeprep said:
Most homeless people are mentally ill. I suspect a significant portion of combat veterans are also mentally ill, having known some.

I've never seen combat but I understand how it could destroy someone as a person, having heard the stories of people who lived it. In the modern era we send our dumbest, least able people into horrors unimaginable to the comfortable American populace.
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Again, citation? I highly doubt that high of a percentage of veterans are mentally incapable of holding a home. PTSD is the most commonly diagnosed disease nowadays and that rarely leads to homelessness.

And seriously? The frontline troops of the US military today are some of the smartest, most skilled and most able fighters in the world. The real battles are being fought by SpecialOps, people that could knit a sweater while running 10K and still shoot a 2" grouping right after. Unless you think a conscript army is somehow superior to a volunteer group of incredibly well dedicated and funded individuals.
 
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abandonconflict

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tokeprep said:
Most homeless people are mentally ill. I suspect a significant portion of combat veterans are also mentally ill, having known some.

I've never seen combat but I understand how it could destroy someone as a person, having heard the stories of people who lived it. In the modern era we send our dumbest, least able people into horrors unimaginable to the comfortable American populace.
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Actually some of the smartest people volunteer.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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DutchKillsRambo said:
Again, citation? I highly doubt that high of a percentage of veterans are mentally incapable of holding a home. PTSD is the most commonly diagnosed disease nowadays and that rarely leads to homelessness.

And seriously? The frontline troops of the US military today are some of the smartest, most skilled and most able fighters in the world. The real battles are being fought by SpecialOps, people that could knit a sweater while running 10K and still shoot a 2" grouping right after. Unless you think a conscript army is somehow superior to a volunteer group of incredibly well dedicated and funded individuals.
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I can't find statistics backing my claim unless I go back to 2011. The VA website totes a huge reduction of homeless veterans prominently.
 
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tokeprep

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DutchKillsRambo said:
Again, citation? I highly doubt that high of a percentage of veterans are mentally incapable of holding a home. PTSD is the most commonly diagnosed disease nowadays and that rarely leads to homelessness.
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...do you know any? Your doubt sounds awfully scholastic. I take it you've never been deployed.

And seriously? The frontline troops of the US military today are some of the smartest, most skilled and most able fighters in the world. The real battles are being fought by SpecialOps, people that could knit a sweater while running 10K and still shoot a 2" grouping right after. Unless you think a conscript army is somehow superior to a volunteer group of incredibly well dedicated and funded individuals.
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Your first statement just isn't true. The frontline troops are the expendable grunts. Special ops account for a small fraction of combat, and yet you've elevated them to being "the real battles." Let's be frank about this: the real battles are fought by people who barely graduated high school.

I appreciate their sacrifices and their sense of dedication to this country. That inclination rises above that in most of the educated or successful people I have ever known. That doesn't mean they're brilliant, and it certainly doesn't mean they're prepared for the horrors of modern war.
 
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tokeprep

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abandonconflict said:
Actually some of the smartest people volunteer.
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Surely you can see why this is a logical fallacy. Even if your statement is true, it has no impact on my statement. Touting the JAG or engineering corps as smart volunteers says nothing about the frontline grunts.
 
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abandonconflict

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tokeprep said:
...do you know any? Your doubt sounds awfully scholastic. I take it you've never been deployed.



Your first statement just isn't true. The frontline troops are the expendable grunts. Special ops account for a small fraction of combat, and yet you've elevated them to being "the real battles." Let's be frank about this: the real battles are fought by people who barely graduated high school.

I appreciate their sacrifices and their sense of dedication to this country. That inclination rises above that in most of the educated or successful people I have ever known. That doesn't mean they're brilliant, and it certainly doesn't mean they're prepared for the horrors of modern war.
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Special ops are the frontline troops. High school doesn't produce soldiers and neither does college. The troops who dismount and do the dirty work are extremely well trained. Even the low ranking marines and army infantry.

There is really no part of your post that is based on fact. You're simply speculating on what you think makes sense. The fact is that it takes a lot of intelligence and mental toughness to make it through combat. This is why the military sends the fittest into danger.
 
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