Petoskey and surrounding area.

Dr. Bob and the Denali people are in the area:

Petoskey Clinic
Friday, November 22 at 7:00pm
2489 N US 31 Petoskey, MI 49770


Ill be there to recertify, stop by and maybe you will see me and my puppy :-)
 

Dr. Bob

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Hmmm what clinic do you work for? We don't play that game. We take cash, check, cc, just like every other certification clinic (insurance doesn't cover this). Nice clear medical record and dea, and a leader in the field in Michigan- with NEVER ONE overturned certification.

Spread your hate vapor (we know who you use) all it does is move it to the top of the Michigan listings.

Oh and medical records are required.

Dr. Bob
 

VaporTrail

Active Member
You don't know Dick, Dick!:finger: You do know your going to hell I hope. God knows who you are repent now before its to late.
 

Dr. Bob

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Well there are his qualifications for calling me a quack. Another zealot. Thanks for the bump
 
You don't know Dick, Dick!:finger: You do know your going to hell I hope. God knows who you are repent now before its to late.


you're is the correct grammer. Those who live in glass houses.......

Seems alot of people are doing that ;-)
and I wish he was paying for my recert, but he isnt. I am doing this to get the word out to the fellow people in my area that may not be able to drive to Gaylord or TC to certify. Its a PSA or Public Service Announcement.
 

st0wandgrow

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you're is the correct grammer. Those who live in glass houses.......

Seems alot of people are doing that ;-)
and I wish he was paying for my recert, but he isnt. I am doing this to get the word out to the fellow people in my area that may not be able to drive to Gaylord or TC to certify. Its a PSA or Public Service Announcement.
Don't be the spelling police JOC.

Glass houses.....
 

Dr. Bob

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Nope. I don't advertise here. Gosh are you a mod or something? What concern is it of your?

Personally I think it was nice of him to help his fellow patients. The result was an immediate attack by someone that can't spell, and an ex mod jumping down my throat.

If you are not interested in this post move on. No one is forcing you to read it.
 

VaporTrail

Active Member
you're is the correct grammer. Those who live in glass houses.......

Seems alot of people are doing that ;-)
and I wish he was paying for my recert, but he isnt. I am doing this to get the word out to the fellow people in my area that may not be able to drive to Gaylord or TC to certify. Its a PSA or Public Service Announcement.
Thank You for correcting me Miss Crabtree. You aren't the real Jesus either your a quack like the doc.
 

Dr. Bob

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That is YOU'RE a quack like doc you ignorant zealot.

That is the problem with your little group vapor, you get the correct information and STILL you can't get it right.

Dr. Bob
 

Dr. Bob

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I don't have a group you stupid fuck, I am my own person. I know you better then you think we know some of the same people. Maybe we went to the same school. See ya around Doc!
Gosh, most of the folks I went to school with can spell. You must have been one of the ones the rest of us helped along.

But wait, do I care? Nope.

Thanks for stopping by.
 
Ill go a step further to helping local patients:

PETOSKEY CLINIC
November 19, 2013 - @ Main Office 3327 N US 31 Hwy., Petoskey MI 49770


If I was trying to be the real Jesus, my letter"j" would be capitalized to denote proper name, it is not, knowing I am not immortal....against what I may think. :peace:
 

TheMan13

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Hmmm what clinic do you work for? We don't play that game. We take cash, check, cc, just like every other certification clinic (insurance doesn't cover this). Nice clear medical record and dea, and a leader in the field in Michigan- with NEVER ONE overturned certification.

Spread your hate vapor (we know who you use) all it does is move it to the top of the Michigan listings.

Oh and medical records are required.

Dr. Bob
https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/740871-27-arrested-five-county-marijuana.html

Last month I saw DEA Agent Frederick publicly indite a couple Muskegon area pot docs repeatedly to the media in a medical marijuana "cover" and/or "ruse" justifying raids, seizures and 27 felony arrests across the state. Oddly these docs somehow went unnamed, were not raided nor charged in this conspiracy sought. Any idea whom these doctors are or how they skated here? I've never heard the term "overturned certification" before, can you tell me how many were overturned here?
 

Dr. Bob

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Well I am aware of one in Berrien Co, the clinic marketer went on the stand, made a fool of herself, and was eaten alive by the prosecutor. The doctor never made it to the stand, turns out there was a DEA conditional order giving his registration back on the terms he not do certs. Patient was well within limits, had a card from this traveling road show and was doing a section 8 as the only problem was his garage door was unlocked.

The attorney was Dan Grow, and the guy had to plea to a 2 year charge after it came to light the doc was dirty.

As for Muskegon, that is still on going, so I don't know. I wasn't involved. Charges are pending, so I guess you will have your answer shortly. I would suspect if there was fraud, they might be, or selective ones (ie the folks being charged) might be. I would not want to be the attorney doing the section 8 on those certs. There was another incident in TC recently where one doc did 600 certs in a weekend by himself. I have a feeling we've not heard the last about that one. I suspect in Muskegon, the doctor involved already lost his license on another MMMA related case in Cady, so I don't believe we've heard the last of that either.

I have been a part of a number of section 8 hearings. As a prototype for a bonafide dr/pt relationship, it was always ruled valid by the court. Two cases ended right there when they found out it was me as the certifying Doc. You can ask Michael Komorn about one in Paw Paw, it was on Planet Greentrees. Would you like the link to the show? Was called victory in Paw Paw....

Dr. Bob
 

TheMan13

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I just don't get it doc?

A part of my back was crushed in a military incident back in my 20's. Considering my age and physical fitness i healed up quickly and marched on with that bone pain as just a part of daily life. 20 years later that damage developed arthritis and in turn nerve and muscle spasms ensued forcing me to begin taking heavy Rx narcotics in hopes to regain some mobility. My medical history is well documented with multiple MRIs showing it's progression. I no longer use Rx narcotics and that is also a documented part of my current medical history.

So if I have this legitimate medically documented need, how can the government hold me criminally responsible for the behavior of some doctor I am forced to pay as part of LARA's many MMMA mandates. Is there even any due diligence a patient can take to protect them from such miscarriages of justice?
 

Dr. Bob

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I just don't get it doc?

A part of my back was crushed in a military incident back in my 20's. Considering my age and physical fitness i healed up quickly and marched on with that bone pain as just a part of daily life. 20 years later that damage developed arthritis and in turn nerve and muscle spasms ensued forcing me to begin taking heavy Rx narcotics in hopes to regain some mobility. My medical history is well documented with multiple MRIs showing it's progression. I no longer use Rx narcotics and that is also a documented part of my current medical history.

So if I have this legitimate medically documented need, how can the government hold me criminally responsible for the behavior of some doctor I am forced to pay as part of LARA's many MMMA mandates. Is there even any due diligence a patient can take to protect them from such miscarriages of justice?
You shouldn't have much of a problem proving your case if questioned. If you went to a mill it might be questioned. If there is a problem, have your attorney contact me and I'll see what I can do to help (I get a surprising number of calls from attorneys that realize they have a problem based on the certification).

I've put this information out before but since you asked, I'll do it again. Check your clinic first. Do they name the doctor or will they tell you who the doctor is? Easy enough to look up their license. One internet clinic operating in Gaylord recently had a doctor whose licensed lapsed signing certs for another 4 MONTHS- all of which were rejected. The patients were told they had 21 days to see the doctor in Southfield in person (a 5-6 hour drive) or they were on their own. We recertified them for a massively reduced price in Gaylord to help those patients out. Second, look at the clinic itself. Does it require records, do you meet with the doctor, is it an office visit or the DMV run them through type marketing operation? Do they have a real office? Do they offer and EXPECT you to follow up?

Recently we had an operation come to TC offering $69 certs (600 patients took them up because it was so cheap). Once you got there, records were optional, and there was an additional, unannounced, charge of $39 to pre pay for an appointment in Flint (also 5 hours away) in 6 months if you wanted your certification to be 'bona fide'. Not only was this hidden cost bad marketing, to expect a patient to make a 10 hour round trip to Flint was designed not to protect the patient, but to allow the clinic to claim 'well they had an appointment but didn't show' to protect THEM if they were investigated. The patient got no protection.

Above all, use some common sense. If it looks shady, or like they are just out for your money and don't care about your documents, especially if it takes place in a hotel or convention with no LOCAL fixed office, buyer beware. We do outreach clinics such as this one in Petoskey, but they are based out of our regular offices in Gaylord and Traverse City, where free follow up is offered and encouraged. We require records, I see the patient (sometimes a nurse will help with the renewals but I am participating as well) and I stand behind each and every patient with a free section 8 expert witness if one is needed.

And I have NEVER had one overturned. Including cases in a number of areas throughout the state where it came up in a trial.

Quite frankly if you go to a BS clinic, it is pretty obvious and you know that you are taking a risk. So expect if you are in trouble, and word gets out you are a patient of one of the mills, you will be challenged. And if your clinic falls short, as it did in Berrien with the marketer and the bad doc, that is the cost of a cheap certification, rather than one that costs a few dollars more but does it right.

Dr. Bob
 

Dr. Bob

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BTW Man, I'm glad to see you were able to get off the narcotics. This is the goal of MMJ and pain management and will go farther to convince doctors it is a viable 'medicine' than all the protests and positioning combined. Solve a problem (high dose narcotic use) for the doctor and they will start paying attention. That is what got me into this field.

Dr. Bob
 

TheMan13

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To be honest, in the end I had used a "mill" at the suggestion of the DO overseeing my medical care. The reason being that for "professional" reasons he could/would not sign my MMMA paperwork personally, regardless of MJs possible and latter documented use in my medical treatment. Having worked with docs in emergency medicine for many years I am well aware of the fear game the DEA plays to keep these folks in line regardless of patient care :(
 
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