Pink pistil hermi!
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bf80255
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This is a cross of Pinkie pie X (OG, WWXXL, TD, AMN) im not sure which as I was just growing out a group of 120 to test germ rates and see how they turned out in cups
it was a male I had selected as a potential pollen donor then when I checked up on it one morning he was throwing pistils ( not that cool IMO usually just cull hermis immediately) but these were pink! so I just had to pull him aside and take pics to see if anyones seen this before?
its outdoors so maybe 11 hours a day at most, you can only see the pink pistil trait in my lines outdoors due to the light spectrum unfortunately.
this is an F1 cross of an F4 pinkie A1 line male to one of well known fem autos.
bf80255
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regular white widow? from what breeder?
the strain my plants get the coloration from is called "Madd Krush" its a 14 week sativa with pink pistils
i crossed that to a purple AK47 auto I had bred for a couple generations and 6 generations later I have Pinkie Pie
bf80255
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Do you know of any other pictures of pink pistil hermis? ive never seen one in my life, most breeders hide hermis as if they dont exist lmao
pink pistils arent that rare but an auto that breeds true for that trait would be a first and thats what ive been working on for a couple of years now.
bf80255
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I dont,
this guy is sitting in my living room with no light. Was gunna can him but I havent decided wether I want to use it to test the old theory that males that go female are useful breeding tools ( I suspect no but since ive never tried it I cant say for sure.) or if I just want to toss it.
I have a zero tolerance policy for hermis in my program but I like to share what I know about them and what I find with the community so people can gain from my limited experience and vice versa.
Sativied
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Or you can pollinate all plants and determine afterwards from which keeper(s) you're going to use seeds. In other words it doesn't matter that they're autos.
Sativied
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I can kind of see a stoner-logic in the theory (DJ's right?), normal is female, worst is female that turns male, does that make males that turn female better... Perhaps the latter has a more desirable hormone balance (and hence regulator genes that can pass on to offspring) that make a female less susceptible to changing to male. Further from a critical point. Feminine males x females could result in less masculine females, perhaps... following basic stoner-logic.
It seems largely based on his perception and a pinch of wishful thinking and I doubt its reproducible and consistent. Unless it's a clear cut hermie (no good obviously) I consider intersex low stress resistance or a weaker commitment to one sex, whether it's on male or female. The question is, is a weaker commitment to one sex automatically a stronger commitment to the other, or does it simply mean it's too flexible/unstable.
What good would that cut be if you're not going to pollinate it? Whether you pollinate cuttings from only the keepers or use seeds from only the keepers doesn't matter. Maybe I'm not following you but I don't see how being autos makes a difference when it comes to weeding out herms (the part I quoted in my previous reply).
And, plants don't directly pass on traits, but genes, and only half of them. It's not necessarily a fact that every plant in the offspring gets the same genotype or even the same gene(s) that cause the sex change. Would be nice if traits inherited that easily in every plant.
bf80255
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what? thats not how breeding works.
about 95% of my autos do not show any intersex traits the 5% that do are immedietly culled.
autos can be saved by cloning look up "invitro micropropogation" or "tissue culture"
if you find a pheno you like with autos you simply dust it with pollen from a related source, search out that pheno again and repeat with full siblings until your producing that 1 phenotype fairly consistently and youll have just created your own IBL.
the hermi was saved because some breeders claim that using males that show girl parts decreases your likelihood of finding girls that show boy parts later down the line.
bf80255
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im thinking because a male is XY and a female is XX maybe hermis are a variation of XYxx or XYxy or XXxy etc and by using the XXxy (because pretty much every known line of cannabis has hermis) your keeping out the XYxx and XXyy or whatever that combination would be.... this is just off the top of my head guesses for DJ's conclusion btw.
and so because hermis are a given maybe he figures its best to have the more desireable type than the dreaded female gone male? just a thought
it's not weather it shows in every 1, it's still in there n will come out agaig and again until breed out. how do you know if its going to herm until its done flowering....when its already dead. you could pollinate a shit load and go from there of course. i guess i just assumed you didn't want to take that much time or space to do it.
Sativied
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It's been years but I read (a reliable source) about such a hermie once, tetraploid I think, an in a hemp variety. Very rare occasion. In other examples the non-capped x and y usually refer to markers.
Apart from that one, and people with down syndrome, I don't think hermies have additional chromosomes. Both XX and XY can intersex, it's what on the X or Y what matters.
As you know Cannabis has 10 pairs of chromosomes of which one are the allosomes (sex chromosomes) and the rest autosomes. Each of them carry many genes. Which of the genes affect what exactly is thanks to prohibition not exactly known. But, whether genes from autosomes can cause intersex while the allosomes (sex genes) are perfectly normal is also not definitive (I think so though, XX can produce male).
Either way, it still comes down to dominance on a basic level. Which results in a certain combination of proteins, and in turn hormones. Forcing both females and males to herm effectively changes the phenotype which comes down to the same thing. There's something in Y that dominates X (XY proves that) but that doesn't mean necessarily Y provides DNA code that adds male flowers, but instead turns something off in X that prevents male flowers / creates female flowers.
Another theory, something based on a human example, a hermi girl with two XX chromosomes but one weak/defect. Not enough female to prevent male phenotypical expressions. Homozygous isn't only nice for breeding, it's also sometimes required to express certain traits (cocktails of proteins) to the fullest.
Now, back to that male hermie theory: That XY male hermie has perhaps a dominant (set of genes on the) X that apparently won't allow the Y side to dominate, which seems like a good X for breeding. OR, that Y is too weak. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for breeding either since you only need a few nanners to get pollen, but won't make a difference for the XX offspring.
That would still give it 50-50 chance it works.
Sativied
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But by the time it's dead it already produce seeds.
Exactly. But the number isn't higher because it's auto. You can pollinate 20 plants (just one or more small buds gives plenty of seeds) and use only the seeds from the ones that turned out best (like non-hermie) or, take, root and keep cuttings from 20, grow and flower out the best after the moms are finished, while keeping males... Point is, taking clones and flowering out those just for the pollination part only takes more space and especially time.
thanks for clarification.
bf80255
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sorry i was high lmao
I wish we had access to more legit research on drug cannabis and didnt have to rely on shit we dig up on stoner forums, I would really like some concrete answers as to why the hermi trait is so prevelant! why cant it be bred out like autoflowering or other traits like color or height?