Please help diagnose my plant
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im4satori
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for the magnesium/Epsom salt
take a look at the fan leaves and notice how the long edges fold up almost as if you where folding the leaf like a taco shell or canoe
when the margins fold back to flat your magnesium def is over
you might find you could spray it a couple times to correct it or you could add some to the roots also
1/4 tsp per gallon is a safe amount with little risk of issues
take a look at the fan leaves and notice how the long edges fold up almost as if you where folding the leaf like a taco shell or canoe
when the margins fold back to flat your magnesium def is over
you might find you could spray it a couple times to correct it or you could add some to the roots also
1/4 tsp per gallon is a safe amount with little risk of issues
im4satori
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ok
the only thing about that fertilizer
its organic ...that's fine but
part of it wont be water soluble
for example the potassium or potash is soluble and available quick but parts of the nutrient are not
feather meal and bone meal are both very slow acting and wont become available for a few weeks
notice the magnesium.. it lists magnesium at 0.5% but then tells you that only 0.15% is soluble which means the balance isn't available until it decomposes by way of soil biology
the amount you added doesn't sound like too much but your likely to continue going hungry until the food becomes available and by then your likely in bad shape
the only thing about that fertilizer
its organic ...that's fine but
part of it wont be water soluble
for example the potassium or potash is soluble and available quick but parts of the nutrient are not
feather meal and bone meal are both very slow acting and wont become available for a few weeks
notice the magnesium.. it lists magnesium at 0.5% but then tells you that only 0.15% is soluble which means the balance isn't available until it decomposes by way of soil biology
the amount you added doesn't sound like too much but your likely to continue going hungry until the food becomes available and by then your likely in bad shape
im4satori
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not daily
if you did both e the foliar and the 1/4 tsp in the dirt you should be good
maybe do it again in 3 or 4 days if its not corrected
if you spray it every day itll accumulate ... it takes three days min for your plants to respond fully
im4satori
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go ahead and toss 1/4 tsp on the dirt
itll just sit there until you water it in next time
you will get some benefits from some of what you did but the long release organic is another deal
the only thing that will accelerate the release is compost tea with molasses
do you have any liquid fertilizers available to you?
itll just sit there until you water it in next time
you will get some benefits from some of what you did but the long release organic is another deal
the only thing that will accelerate the release is compost tea with molasses
do you have any liquid fertilizers available to you?
Dutchieman420
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I would say it's ur miracle grow! That stuff will make it taste like shit too. Fox farms ocean Forrest is my fav. Also use these
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polishpollack
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Dutchieman420 is correct. Miracle Grow soils have fert in them already, you don't need to add more. Magnesium is not the solution to every problem. People here keep saying to add mag or calmag. Bad info spreads like fire here.
im4satori
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slow release chem fertilizers are a problem unless theyre organic and have time to become available
as to calmag and Epsom salt
magnesium def is the most common def in MJ and its possible one of the easiest to recognize\
the calcium and magnesium levels in most fertilizers are lower (in ratio) to what your goal is
if I suggest you add calcium or Epsom salt its because either
your plants show calcium def or your plants show magnesium def or your nutrient formula shows its light
no one said magnesium is the solution to every problem, but it is the solution to magnesium def which happens to be a extremely common problem
Dutchieman420
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Could I get your opinion on my stuff? I'm starting to experience a little bit of curling just a little bit of splotching on one of the plants on the inside of the leaves but everything else is doing fairly well in my opinion. Let me know what you think please here I'll take some pictures
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im4satori
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im sorry I cant really put my finger on anything with those pics
the lighting changes so distinctly from pic to pic and nothing jumps out at me
you've got a couple leaves here or there that might be doing this or that but over all it looks good to me
there might be some minor leaf canoe on maybe one plant but that could also be from being closer to the light so its hard to say
another pic I thought I seen a fan leaf that was folded under a wee bit so maybe at some point in lts life it got a little too much N..maybe! but it looks to have been resolved already
but all that really means very little and doesn't suggest much just keep trucking on
Dutchieman420
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Thank you very much I appreciate it. I also took these pictures right when I turn the light on today and I haven't trimmed in a week or so yeah I try to change where the plants are in the room once or twice a week just to keep an even flow of light on all of the branches. I'm running out of room now it's crazy
im4satori
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the idea is to get the proper balance between the potassium calcium and magnesium
for example
4mls calmag yeilds
N21 ppm
Mg 13 ppm
Ca34ppm
and a 1/4 tsp Epsom salt (1 gram) yields
Mg 25ppm
Sulfur 33ppm
copy and paste
Balance among Cations
A critical balance exists among the K+, Ca2+, and Mg2+ cations; when they are
not in balance, plant stress occurs. When K is high in comparison to Ca or
Mg, the first likely effect to occur is Mg deficiency. In some instances, the
imbalance can induce a Ca deficiency. An imbalance among these three cations
is usually the result of excessive K fertilization, as K is more readily absorbed
and transported in the plant than is either Ca or Mg. This antagonism is greater
between K and Mg than between K and Ca. Despite these differences, care
must be taken to ensure that the proper balance between K and both Ca and
Mg is maintained so that an induced deficiency of either of these two elements
does not occur (Steiner, 1980).
for example
4mls calmag yeilds
N21 ppm
Mg 13 ppm
Ca34ppm
and a 1/4 tsp Epsom salt (1 gram) yields
Mg 25ppm
Sulfur 33ppm
copy and paste
Balance among Cations
A critical balance exists among the K+, Ca2+, and Mg2+ cations; when they are
not in balance, plant stress occurs. When K is high in comparison to Ca or
Mg, the first likely effect to occur is Mg deficiency. In some instances, the
imbalance can induce a Ca deficiency. An imbalance among these three cations
is usually the result of excessive K fertilization, as K is more readily absorbed
and transported in the plant than is either Ca or Mg. This antagonism is greater
between K and Mg than between K and Ca. Despite these differences, care
must be taken to ensure that the proper balance between K and both Ca and
Mg is maintained so that an induced deficiency of either of these two elements
does not occur (Steiner, 1980).