Question about breeding and genetics...

Silvergreen

Silvergreen

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Hi everyone, this year I tried my hand breeding for the first time using a regular male and a regular female of the same strain. I pollinated a few lower branches and it worked just fine, however, I did have a feminized clone self pollinate nearby so I ended up with a few seeds on the regular female that are possibly from the 'herm.'

So my question is this: are seeds from a regular female plant that were pollinated by a feminized 'herm' plant worth growing and potentially breeding? And would they be regular or feminised seeds?

I'm just curious because I personally prefer regular seeds over feminized(I've had probs with them myself and have been advised to use caution with them) and I would like to keep the genetics strong. I really like the strain im using as I've had very few problems with it. Alternately, I'm curious about the mystery seeds but I'm limited on time and space unfortunely and dont want to risk introducing another self loving girl into my flower room haha. So any advice would be appreciated!
 
If you're serious about breeding..do not use pollen that has been obtained from a Hermie plant as that trait is very likely to get passed down in the genes..
Focus of stable consistent plants that exhibit the traits you want to propagate.

Cheers
Mr Toad
 
^ I agree about the post above but you aren't telling us much about the hermie plant. Some legendary cuts were made from hermie bag seed. If the plant was leaps and bounds better than the average, I would consider it still.

Genetics and breeding is very complicated. Throwing pollen on one plant to another isn't really going to do much IMO especially if it is not stabilized, you could end up with several totally different plants. I have always thought of seeds as a lottery. One of many might be "the one"

Worked homogenous lines are always a good place to start, but after saying that I have been seeing a lot of fem to fem breeding that are killing many worked lines but you have to have the time and space to hunt.

Cool story I read about when studying genetics: I don't know if you care or not but I found it very interesting...

A wolf is a breed of dog that has been stabilized by nature, the offspring come out very similar. A poodle is a worked breed that has been stabilized by humans. Both stabilized lines. An experiment went down where I guy bred a wolf with a poodle. All the offspring came out similar, a combination of the two dogs. This created an F1 hybrid. What he did then is bred the brother and the sister together to create an F2 hybrid and half the offspring looked more like the wolf, and the other half looked more after the poodle. So the f2's gene pool of the 2 mixed breed went back to favor one of the parents. He then bred two wolf looking offspring together f3 and they almost reproduced the wolf, and same with the 2 that favored the poodle. Continued down the line until he had an almost pure wolf and pure poodle and by doing a back cross back to the parent stock, you can further stabilize the line. But once in a while it would throw a different oddball when further worked. This is similar to plants.

So to get a specific trait that you're looking for might take the selection of the specific phenotype bred back to a similar phenotype to lock in the traits. The more you work the strain, the similar the results will be for uniformity and stabilization. But an overworked strain can also lose vigor and germ rates.

Its a lot of work but can be fun to create your own plants. Good luck.
 
KGP is right..thats where the legendary THCV monster, Doug's Varin, came from..a Hermie.

sometimes radical transformation within a plant lays the groundwork for recessive genes to appear in phenotypes (physical) when crossed with one another...Otherwise, those traits might not be easily identified within the genetic framework..genotype..(symbolic representation)
having two parents with the same recessive genes provides the possibility to show brand new traits you never knew existed..
I believe GG4 may have been an accident as well..not sure if it was Hermie pollen though..

Toad
 
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It will break Your Heart. I trusted someone last year. Convinced the beans were feminized, 20 plants and I was able to make an oz of Hash... Never risk it..... All hermies must die! Lately I'm seeing more late term herm than ever. So be safe and don't crack a unknown unless you need cloning practice.Latetermherm.jpg
 
Wow, thank you all for that gold mine of information. The story about the wolf and poodle really put things onto perspective for me, thank you for sharing! I did not know Doug's Verin came from a hermie either, but that's why I like these forums so much. You guys really know your stuff.

Regarding the hermie plant, it was a clone I took off a bubba kush mother. The mother was about 3 months old. The clone started showing balls around week 3 or 4 of flower, only a few around the bottom. I let it finish and the bud turned out mostly seed free, I pulled maybe 15 beans. Every other clone and the mother itself also self pollinated in a similar manner regardless of the enviroment(indoor and outdoor).

The other plant was a lucky bag seed find(mixed bud from a cannibis shop that was clearing out their older larfy stuff)but all of the plants grown from those seeds turned out to be pretty solid regardless, a real pleasure to work with. Total mystery seeds however, but here is a picture of one about 6 weeks into flower.

Anyway, thank you all again. Fantastic information and lots to consider moving forward. I really appreciate the input.20190917_171426.jpg
 
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Silvergreen said:
Wow, thank you all for that gold mine of information. The story about the wolf and poodle really put things onto perspective for me, thank you for sharing! I did not know Doug's Verin came from a hermie either, but that's why I like these forums so much. You guys really know your stuff.

Regarding the hermie plant, it was a clone I took off a bubba kush mother. The mother was about 3 months old. The clone started showing balls around week 3 or 4 of flower, only a few around the bottom. I let it finish and the bud turned out mostly seed free, I pulled maybe 15 beans. Every other clone and the mother itself also self pollinated in a similar manner regardless of the enviroment(indoor and outdoor).

The other plant was a lucky bag seed find(mixed bud from a cannibis shop that was clearing out their older larfy stuff)but all of the plants grown from those seeds turned out to be pretty solid regardless, a real pleasure to work with. Total mystery seeds however, but here is a picture of one about 6 weeks into flower.

Anyway, thank you all again. Fantastic information and lots to consider moving forward. I really appreciate the input.View attachment 4432230
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Herms that throw balls and not just nanners.......Bad news.....junk it.

kgp said:
^ I agree about the post above but you aren't telling us much about the hermie plant. Some legendary cuts were made from hermie bag seed. If the plant was leaps and bounds better than the average, I would consider it still.

Genetics and breeding is very complicated. Throwing pollen on one plant to another isn't really going to do much IMO especially if it is not stabilized, you could end up with several totally different plants. I have always thought of seeds as a lottery. One of many might be "the one"

Worked homogenous lines are always a good place to start, but after saying that I have been seeing a lot of fem to fem breeding that are killing many worked lines but you have to have the time and space to hunt.

Cool story I read about when studying genetics: I don't know if you care or not but I found it very interesting...

A wolf is a breed of dog that has been stabilized by nature, the offspring come out very similar. A poodle is a worked breed that has been stabilized by humans. Both stabilized lines. An experiment went down where I guy bred a wolf with a poodle. All the offspring came out similar, a combination of the two dogs. This created an F1 hybrid. What he did then is bred the brother and the sister together to create an F2 hybrid and half the offspring looked more like the wolf, and the other half looked more after the poodle. So the f2's gene pool of the 2 mixed breed went back to favor one of the parents. He then bred two wolf looking offspring together f3 and they almost reproduced the wolf, and same with the 2 that favored the poodle. Continued down the line until he had an almost pure wolf and pure poodle and by doing a back cross back to the parent stock, you can further stabilize the line. But once in a while it would throw a different oddball when further worked. This is similar to plants.

So to get a specific trait that you're looking for might take the selection of the specific phenotype bred back to a similar phenotype to lock in the traits. The more you work the strain, the similar the results will be for uniformity and stabilization. But an overworked strain can also lose vigor and germ rates.

Its a lot of work but can be fun to create your own plants. Good luck.
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Pheno hunting, can be fun, can be a pain. Looking through hundreds of children for "the one"???
Required! (for the most part)
 
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