cc2012
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MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 12:39 PM
cant seem to get started
hi all, i am pretty new to RIU and am needing some help with my first grow from seed.
i bought some Big Buddha Bubble Cheese feminized seeds.
i then planted these seeds around half an inch deep directly into the medium in 1litre propagators.
i ph'd some tap water to around 5.9 and dampened the medium.
the medium is coco.
they were left in the grow room and out of 5, 4 were sprouted within 4 days.
it has now been 12 days since sprouting and they have made little to no progress.
the room is constructed within a loft in the uk. it is constructed from mylar.
it has no fresh air intake but is pieced together like a jigsaw so has a bit of a breeze.
the humidty is fairly low at around 20-30rh but at current they are in propagators so i kind of ruled humidity out as a problem. unless its too humid. although the vents are open.
the temps go from lows of 19 to highs of 30.
there are 2 fans in the room on constant on oscillating.
the light is a 600w hps but on a digital ballast and operating at 440w it is around 2 and a half to 3 feet from the seedlings.
im thinking most likely cause is the temps however being in a loft that is not insulated keeping steady temps can be quite tricky. it never goes below 19 or above 30 though, more recently it has been holding more steadily as i have adjusted the radiators and added a 2nd fan. now it has highs of 28 and lows of 20 but may not hold depending on outside temps.
what else could be wrong? any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
mr sunshine_01-19-2014, 01:20 PM
It takes time ...their just growing roots!!
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 01:26 PM
Thanks for the speedy reply mr sunhine. is that Deffo? They're kind of yellowing and leaves are pointing up aswell as odd growth i.e one leaf bigger than the other.
cc2012_01-19-2014, 01:46 PM
Hiya MisterMaster, I can't really give much help with Coco? how often are you watering? and how many ml?
If you hold your hand at the level(Tops) of seedlings does it get Hot after a few mins?
12 days is a while with no signs? of further Growth? but when you Transplant it knocks em back sometimes..
I'm not sure but doesn't Coco dry up pretty quick? try putting little finger about " into Coco at edge of pot to see if any moist Coco sticks to your fingers...
Take it you've Not added Nutes or owt
Peace
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 02:48 PM
Hi cc2012, they havent been watered since day 1 as they are in propagators and medium is still fairly moist. Havent given them any nutes. They havnt been transplanted that is where they were started. They were given 250ml i believe between the 5 of them, so roughly 50ml each. Have tried hand gettin hot and it doesnt. Am baffled as to why theyre struggling so much.
cc2012_01-19-2014, 03:08 PM
Found This:-
"Wolfcree_THCtalk.com_22-02-11, 03:23 PM
I've done a few coco grows now and from my experience they need watered alot, Best way is to just give them a set amount and see how long it takes for the coco to dry out and take it from there.
I use 10l pots and once they start taking off they drink about 2 litres a day, though obviously plant size and temps will affect this(I like big plants and my room is usually quite hot) also depends if you have anything in your coco to aid water retention i.e. vermiculite or similar (I don't)
I need to water daily as the amount of water the pots can hold doesn't always last 2 full days in my room, nothing worse than going in and they are all upside down.
But yeah with 15l pots, even in coco you should get a few days, just keep an eye on them as coco does dry out much quicker than soil.
Good luck with it Zootz"
"CaLiKiD24_RIU_10-20-2012, 07:24 AM
Thats the 1 thing i really noticed that i had to do when i was using coco coir, i had to water daily, 2 times daily at times when they got bigger. I started
to get deformed leaves like that, but my leaves became very hardy, crispy like. So i just went back to soil"
Don't know if that's any help? been looking around trying to find a bit more Info for you...with you saying about Temps going into High 30's(Think that's this Post?LOL..Baked and on a Sunday...The Shame of it!) back to being serious if your Temps have been getting that Hot it might have dried Coco out quicker than normal? So that's 50ml per Plant? How often?
Peace
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 03:15 PM
50ml is all they have had. And u r proper baked haha! I ment like the highest it gets is 30. No higher. And theyve been damp since day 1. So to recap.
Planted in 1 litre propagator in coco 12 days ago. Gave 50ml of 5.9 phd water to each the day they were planted. They been under 440w hps at about 3 feet away. Theyve not had any other water since, are still damp, and are growing very slow if at all and unhealthy for sure.
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 03:15 PM
On another note cheers for ur efforts pal. Wen ur baked on a sunday and still goin out ur way to help a fellow grower out. Awesome!
cc2012_01-19-2014, 03:25 PM
Cheers m8, Tis got me stumped...only thing that's buggin me is "12 days ago. Gave 50ml of 5.9 phd water to each the day they were planted. Theyve not had any other water since, are still damp. Not 100% sure on this but seems strange? would've thought with so little water they would have been bone dry by now? maybe? I could be very wrong but if your Temps have been going Low than High..could this change in Temp & Humidity have maybe caused the Coco to remain/become Damp?? in places?(The Surface)
Dunno? I know babies don't need a lot of water..when mine are that sorta size..I give 20ml every other day with a syringe...
Just thinking Coco drys out quite quick normally...
Peace
Bugeye_01-19-2014, 03:31 PM
You need to feed them some nutrients as coir has none. They will soon starve to death if not fed something. I've never grown in straight coco so I will defer recommendations on starting nute levels to others with experience.
EDIT: Moved because a SPAMMER(TimothyTEP_ prezenty) Hijacked Thread
..and if the Mod deletes the whole Thread this Guy never get any Help..If you good with Coco..Help this Guy out peeps
Peace cc2012
cant seem to get started
hi all, i am pretty new to RIU and am needing some help with my first grow from seed.
i bought some Big Buddha Bubble Cheese feminized seeds.
i then planted these seeds around half an inch deep directly into the medium in 1litre propagators.
i ph'd some tap water to around 5.9 and dampened the medium.
the medium is coco.
they were left in the grow room and out of 5, 4 were sprouted within 4 days.
it has now been 12 days since sprouting and they have made little to no progress.
the room is constructed within a loft in the uk. it is constructed from mylar.
it has no fresh air intake but is pieced together like a jigsaw so has a bit of a breeze.
the humidty is fairly low at around 20-30rh but at current they are in propagators so i kind of ruled humidity out as a problem. unless its too humid. although the vents are open.
the temps go from lows of 19 to highs of 30.
there are 2 fans in the room on constant on oscillating.
the light is a 600w hps but on a digital ballast and operating at 440w it is around 2 and a half to 3 feet from the seedlings.
im thinking most likely cause is the temps however being in a loft that is not insulated keeping steady temps can be quite tricky. it never goes below 19 or above 30 though, more recently it has been holding more steadily as i have adjusted the radiators and added a 2nd fan. now it has highs of 28 and lows of 20 but may not hold depending on outside temps.
what else could be wrong? any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
mr sunshine_01-19-2014, 01:20 PM
It takes time ...their just growing roots!!
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 01:26 PM
Thanks for the speedy reply mr sunhine. is that Deffo? They're kind of yellowing and leaves are pointing up aswell as odd growth i.e one leaf bigger than the other.
cc2012_01-19-2014, 01:46 PM
Hiya MisterMaster, I can't really give much help with Coco? how often are you watering? and how many ml?
If you hold your hand at the level(Tops) of seedlings does it get Hot after a few mins?
12 days is a while with no signs? of further Growth? but when you Transplant it knocks em back sometimes..
I'm not sure but doesn't Coco dry up pretty quick? try putting little finger about " into Coco at edge of pot to see if any moist Coco sticks to your fingers...
Take it you've Not added Nutes or owt
Peace
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 02:48 PM
Hi cc2012, they havent been watered since day 1 as they are in propagators and medium is still fairly moist. Havent given them any nutes. They havnt been transplanted that is where they were started. They were given 250ml i believe between the 5 of them, so roughly 50ml each. Have tried hand gettin hot and it doesnt. Am baffled as to why theyre struggling so much.
cc2012_01-19-2014, 03:08 PM
Found This:-
"Wolfcree_THCtalk.com_22-02-11, 03:23 PM
I've done a few coco grows now and from my experience they need watered alot, Best way is to just give them a set amount and see how long it takes for the coco to dry out and take it from there.
I use 10l pots and once they start taking off they drink about 2 litres a day, though obviously plant size and temps will affect this(I like big plants and my room is usually quite hot) also depends if you have anything in your coco to aid water retention i.e. vermiculite or similar (I don't)
I need to water daily as the amount of water the pots can hold doesn't always last 2 full days in my room, nothing worse than going in and they are all upside down.
But yeah with 15l pots, even in coco you should get a few days, just keep an eye on them as coco does dry out much quicker than soil.
Good luck with it Zootz"
"CaLiKiD24_RIU_10-20-2012, 07:24 AM
Thats the 1 thing i really noticed that i had to do when i was using coco coir, i had to water daily, 2 times daily at times when they got bigger. I started
to get deformed leaves like that, but my leaves became very hardy, crispy like. So i just went back to soil"
Don't know if that's any help? been looking around trying to find a bit more Info for you...with you saying about Temps going into High 30's(Think that's this Post?LOL..Baked and on a Sunday...The Shame of it!) back to being serious if your Temps have been getting that Hot it might have dried Coco out quicker than normal? So that's 50ml per Plant? How often?
Peace
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 03:15 PM
50ml is all they have had. And u r proper baked haha! I ment like the highest it gets is 30. No higher. And theyve been damp since day 1. So to recap.
Planted in 1 litre propagator in coco 12 days ago. Gave 50ml of 5.9 phd water to each the day they were planted. They been under 440w hps at about 3 feet away. Theyve not had any other water since, are still damp, and are growing very slow if at all and unhealthy for sure.
MisterMaster_01-19-2014, 03:15 PM
On another note cheers for ur efforts pal. Wen ur baked on a sunday and still goin out ur way to help a fellow grower out. Awesome!
cc2012_01-19-2014, 03:25 PM
Cheers m8, Tis got me stumped...only thing that's buggin me is "12 days ago. Gave 50ml of 5.9 phd water to each the day they were planted. Theyve not had any other water since, are still damp. Not 100% sure on this but seems strange? would've thought with so little water they would have been bone dry by now? maybe? I could be very wrong but if your Temps have been going Low than High..could this change in Temp & Humidity have maybe caused the Coco to remain/become Damp?? in places?(The Surface)
Dunno? I know babies don't need a lot of water..when mine are that sorta size..I give 20ml every other day with a syringe...
Just thinking Coco drys out quite quick normally...
Peace
Bugeye_01-19-2014, 03:31 PM
You need to feed them some nutrients as coir has none. They will soon starve to death if not fed something. I've never grown in straight coco so I will defer recommendations on starting nute levels to others with experience.
EDIT: Moved because a SPAMMER(TimothyTEP_ prezenty) Hijacked Thread
..and if the Mod deletes the whole Thread this Guy never get any Help..If you good with Coco..Help this Guy out peepsPeace cc2012
