Real bad with deficiencies what's this?

THCmeBro · Jan 21, 2016

This is gonna hopefully be my first complete grow seed to cure where I don't have to leave 2 or so months. Normally I don't care about things like this but I'm trying to learn more thoroughly about my feed so I can stop halfassing it. I've been feeding rookie guestimations on nute quantities and feed schedule and what bottle concoctions without flushing regularly with good results, incredible even, if compared to the days before I researched growing weed. I havent been ph-ing (well water biatch) or regularly checking what ppms ive been feeding or checking runoff. But I still haven't ever looked at a feed schedule, and ill try new combos of nutes every year. I know, stupid.
Anyways I know what most of my issues are but this is not something I'm familiar with, and I always seem to misdiagnose from the chart.

Help/knowledge bomb please?

I dont mind losing a bunch of these either. Im already thinning them. Most of these are my bagseed hermied seedstock, which I definitely enjoy, but it ain't nothing too special. Just something for when its suddenly dry this year.

Using a 600w conversion metal halide, with my cheap hps ballast running on super lumens. Growing in a room now used for storage.
Flipped to 12/12 on 1/10 calling it day 1 of "flower" as of todays lights on. Nothing special.
In pic 1 -Just did some feeding and turned the lights down to 250w (the usual) then left.
In pic 2- came back and turned the lights back up. HALLELUJAH! PRAISE JEBUS!

thumper60 · Jan 21, 2016

what did u spray on them on pic 1

apbx720 · Jan 21, 2016

They look ok(easily fixable if u could just find the prob). But i think you answered yr own question. Its the "rookie" practices u speak of. The reason we pay attention to detail and check these things, document what we give the plant, how much, how often, ph, etc. the reason we do this is so that when theres a problem, all this documentation helps us make diagnosises and cures. You are in a good position to step up yr game. You seem like u know what u gotta do. Now just do it!!

My opinion is maybe a micro nutrient deficiency, cause: idk. Ph? Nute concentration? Hard to know if theres no data on these things

getdown76 · Jan 21, 2016

Easy fix, start checking you ppms and ph and youll be golden... you want your ppms between 700-1000 during aggressive veg growth. When you flip the switch run anywhere between 900-1600 while keeping your ph between 5.8-6.7.
BOOM! Real Time, Real Talk...

Jimdamick · Jan 21, 2016

getdown76 said:
Easy fix, start checking you ppms and ph and youll be golden... you want your ppms between 700-1000 during aggressive veg growth. When you flip the switch run anywhere between 900-1600 while keeping your ph between 5.8-6.7.
BOOM! Real Time, Real Talk...

6.7 is a tad high, I would not go above 6.5 in soil personally as you will be locking out some uptake of minerals at a high level of PH.

getdown76 · Jan 21, 2016

Jimdamick said:
6.7 is a tad high, I would not go above 6.5 in soil personally as you will be locking out some uptake of minerals at a high level of PH.

Nitrogen then calcium would be among the first to get locked out and that doesn't happen until 7.2 on up...

THCmeBro · Jan 21, 2016

thumper60 said:
what did u spray on them on pic 1

Mix of (most to least)
maxsea bloom
Half as much Ff red bottle? Forget the name, mostly guano.
Even less grow big.
Touch of epsom salt.
And ~70ppm from the well and pipes. Ph naturally stable pre-nute at 6.3, have not been adding up.

Mixed in quart bottle, diluted multiple times till color is mostly gone (when I test, I havent feed above 700 ppm to the rootzone and try not to go above 450 for the foliar)

I also added (only to rootzone) some bushdoctor kangaroots (poor quality innoculant) and bembe sweetener (molasses and cane sugar) I had lying around to combat the couple drops of dawn (could that be a problem?) I used to weaken what I thought were pests at the time.

THCmeBro · Jan 21, 2016

apbx720 said:
They look ok(easily fixable if u could just find the prob). But i think you answered yr own question. Its the "rookie" practices u speak of. The reason we pay attention to detail and check these things, document what we give the plant, how much, how often, ph, etc. the reason we do this is so that when theres a problem, all this documentation helps us make diagnosises and cures. You are in a good position to step up yr game. You seem like u know what u gotta do. Now just do it!!

My opinion is maybe a micro nutrient deficiency, cause: idk. Ph? Nute concentration? Hard to know if theres no data on these things

They're in #1's mostly and I do try to go extra light on the nutes the whole grow. The few times I noticed slight issues my runoff had gotten to 1200 ppm and I found great results at 450-500.
I do fear the micro lockout as I don't have a real micronutrient heavy food. I've been using the occasional ewc topdressing to promote micros and microbes.
Ph should be fine, although I did cull a bunch of my Benny's a day or two ago. Maybe I should add some ph up next couple waters? I have well water at ph 6.3 before nutes with a base ppm of 67-76.

THCmeBro · Jan 21, 2016

I just hate checking ph because well water. Unless something happens to the well the ppm and ph should be very stable. I've only actually needed my ph meter when I soaked my clone cubes to 5.5.
And as for ppm, I was consistently staying in my ppm range that works without having to check. So I stopped checking a couple weeks ago and just made sure to dilute ever so slightly more. When I check and guess 450, ive checked and got a reading of ~485 ppm, and would've been comfortable all the way up to 600 or so.

THCmeBro · Jan 21, 2016

I guess what I'm reading is I should gradually increase the ppms? I always try to feed less more often.... that's my goal/style. I can make nutes last 2-4 grows this size growing the way I've been trying the last couple grows.

stnr420 · Jan 27, 2016

THCmeBro said:
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This is gonna hopefully be my first complete grow seed to cure where I don't have to leave 2 or so months. Normally I don't care about things like this but I'm trying to learn more thoroughly about my feed so I can stop halfassing it. I've been feeding rookie guestimations on nute quantities and feed schedule and what bottle concoctions without flushing regularly with good results, incredible even, if compared to the days before I researched growing weed. I havent been ph-ing (well water biatch) or regularly checking what ppms ive been feeding or checking runoff. But I still haven't ever looked at a feed schedule, and ill try new combos of nutes every year. I know, stupid.
Anyways I know what most of my issues are but this is not something I'm familiar with, and I always seem to misdiagnose from the chart.

Help/knowledge bomb please?

I dont mind losing a bunch of these either. Im already thinning them. Most of these are my bagseed hermied seedstock, which I definitely enjoy, but it ain't nothing too special. Just something for when its suddenly dry this year.

Using a 600w conversion metal halide, with my cheap hps ballast running on super lumens. Growing in a room now used for storage.
Flipped to 12/12 on 1/10 calling it day 1 of "flower" as of todays lights on. Nothing special.
In pic 1 -Just did some feeding and turned the lights down to 250w (the usual) then left.
In pic 2- came back and turned the lights back up. HALLELUJAH! PRAISE JEBUS!
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They look perfectly healthy. The new yellow tops are because the plants metabolism is running so fast the chlorophyll can't keep up...relax man...they look great

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