this isnt my 1st time grown ive been growing for over a year, just 1st time popping seeds. so i have no knowlege on the speed they grow. didnt know if they take a couple weeks to show signs of growth like clones do or if u should see signs right away. and i was just asking for input as to why they was wilting like they was. and from wat i understood was lack of light. which thats exactly wat it was they was almost 4 foot from the light now they are about 3 inch from my t12's. if they take off cool. if not, no big deal i bought an extra pack cause it was my 1st time popping the seeds.