Seeds From A Hermie..??

Wigiberto · May 3, 2017

I had an unknown clone that was flowered and I never took cuttings from.

Once flowering I wished I had taken them, as it was growing fast, vigorous, quick to flower and finish and extremely drenched in trichomes....... Beautiful!!

Upon hours of trimming today I ended up finding ONE seed as of yet in the whole harvest. I am guessing she stressed, hermed and self pollinated herself at some point.

QUESTION: Will the seed that I found in her buds be the same strain as the clone mother I just harvested??

I would be very happy if at least it is the same strain with a similar phenotype.

Thanks for your input. Much appreciated

OldMedUser · May 3, 2017

It will be the same strain but will likely hermie as well. Didn't try to reveg the original plant?

Would be worth growing it out as only about 1/3 of plants grown from seed like that will be full-blown hermies so you might get lucky and end up with a female that doesn't herm on you. Some herms will pop a few balls early then not show anymore.

Wigiberto · May 3, 2017

OldMedUser said:
It will be the same strain but will likely hermie as well. Didn't try to reveg the original plant?

Would be worth growing it out as only about 1/3 of plants grown from seed like that will be full-blown hermies so you might get lucky and end up with a female that doesn't herm on you. Some herms will pop a few balls early then not show anymore.

So even if the original mother was not prone to Herming, some seeds will have a high likelihood of being full blown herms?

I really believe she grew balls due to light leaks stress in the indoor tent because I had 2 clones of this strain from same mother...one was planted outdoors and did not herm, then this one I did indoors produced the seed.

Thanks again for your guidance

backtracker · May 4, 2017

This is just my take on it not scientific. When the plants are kept from producing seeds which is their purpose some will reproduce themselves. If the clones are from a femed plant there's no male genes so the seed would only have female genes unlike a herm that would have male genes so that seed would be female. If it was a herm you would have more than one seed because a male pollen sack is full of pollen and it would have pollinated more than just one seed.

backtracker · May 4, 2017

Wigiberto said:
So even if the original mother was not prone to Herming, some seeds will have a high likelihood of being full blown herms?

I really believe she grew balls due to light leaks stress in the indoor tent because I had 2 clones of this strain from same mother...one was planted outdoors and did not herm, then this one I did indoors produced the seed.

Thanks again for your guidance

did you see balls?

OldMedUser · May 4, 2017

backtracker said:
This is just my take on it not scientific. When the plants are kept from producing seeds which is their purpose some will reproduce themselves. If the clones are from a femed plant there's no male genes so the seed would only have female genes unlike a herm that would have male genes so that seed would be female. If it was a herm you would have more than one seed because a male pollen sack is full of pollen and it would have pollinated more than just one seed.

You're right that plants will throw nanners if they are near or past the end of flowering in an attempt to pollinate itself. All cannabis plants are capable of that but you wouldn't have viable seeds as they take from 4 - 6 weeks to mature after pollination. When you find a good seed in your bud it would have had to have started at least a month before harvest which means it grew balls early in flowering and will pass that gene on to around a third or more of any seeds that come from that pollen.

I've stressed the hell out of lots of plants and not had them hermie and for a plant to do it from minor stress like light leaks means it's prone to hermaphrodism and it's more likely plants grown from its seeds will be the same. It's something I really watch for when crossing strains and discard any seeds that come from plants like that.

Wigiberto said:
So even if the original mother was not prone to Herming, some seeds will have a high likelihood of being full blown herms?

I really believe she grew balls due to light leaks stress in the indoor tent because I had 2 clones of this strain from same mother...one was planted outdoors and did not herm, then this one I did indoors produced the seed.

The stresses may have been different for the indoor one and triggered a ball or two and the one seed may or may not have picked up the trait. When you make seeds they all have a different set of genes from each other. The only time you will grow identical plants is from clones.

backtracker · May 4, 2017

OldMedUser said:
You're right that plants will throw nanners if they are near or past the end of flowering in an attempt to pollinate itself. All cannabis plants are capable of that but you wouldn't have viable seeds as they take from 4 - 6 weeks to mature after pollination. When you find a good seed in your bud it would have had to have started at least a month before harvest which means it grew balls early in flowering and will pass that gene on to around a third or more of any seeds that come from that pollen.

I've stressed the hell out of lots of plants and not had them hermie and for a plant to do it from minor stress like light leaks means it's prone to hermaphrodism and it's more likely plants grown from its seeds will be the same. It's something I really watch for when crossing strains and discard any seeds that come from plants like that.

The stresses may have been different for the indoor one and triggered a ball or two and the one seed may or may not have picked up the trait. When you make seeds they all have a different set of genes from each other. The only time you will grow identical plants is from clones.

If it's from a feminized plant there are no male chromosomes in it so where did the male chromosomes come from to make it a herm which has both? I get single seeds sometimes from plants from feminized seeds not stressed 0 signs of herming.

OldMedUser · May 5, 2017

He never said anything about the plant being feminized and feminized plants are notorious for going hermie so many experienced growers won't grow them. I never have.

If you get seed(s) from a bud grown from a feminized plant then it grew balls somewhere so you tell me where the male chromosome came from. I'm a chemist, not a geneticist.

I just know the basics of how genes work. To get into stabilizing a strain I'd have to have a good manual at hand and refer to it often to stay on the right track. Fun to do some pollen chucking and see what you get from various crosses tho.

backtracker · May 6, 2017

OldMedUser said:
He never said anything about the plant being feminized and feminized plants are notorious for going hermie so many experienced growers won't grow them. I never have.

If you get seed(s) from a bud grown from a feminized plant then it grew balls somewhere so you tell me where the male chromosome came from. I'm a chemist, not a geneticist.

I just know the basics of how genes work. To get into stabilizing a strain I'd have to have a good manual at hand and refer to it often to stay on the right track. Fun to do some pollen chucking and see what you get from various crosses tho.

He said; I had an unknown clone that was flowered and I never took cuttings from.
I said: If the clones are from a femed plant there's no male genes so the seed would only have female genes.

OldMedUser · May 6, 2017

I know that fem plants do go hermie so there's still the problem of male flowers forming and seeding up the crop which most folks don't want happening in their gardens regardless if all the seeds will grow more hermie/female plants. It's an undesirable trait to have in any strain.

:peace:

backtracker · May 7, 2017

OldMedUser said:
I know that fem plants do go hermie so there's still the problem of male flowers forming and seeding up the crop which most folks don't want happening in their gardens regardless if all the seeds will grow more hermie/female plants. It's an undesirable trait to have in any strain.

where do the male chromosomes come from if it is a true feminized plant from a true female plant that has none?

OldMedUser · May 7, 2017

I already told you I'm no geneticist so I don't know the mechanism but I know it happens. I'm sure you can find out on the interweb if you're that interested.

Stealthstyle · May 7, 2017

Basically if a plants foreced into hermy the genes will be fmeale for the seeds.
If its a hermy x hermy seeds will be hermy
If its male x female seeds will be 60% or higher female
female forced into hermy x female = female seeds.

tpc_mikey · May 7, 2017

I have always read that seed banks use Hermied plant pollen to pollinate female plants to create the Feminized seed, thus you are carrying over that genetic of hermaphrodism to the feminized seed so its there laying in the darkness waiting to come out, hell some of the best strains we have right now are accidental pollinations lol i.e. Gorilla Glue for example. I have a GG going right now and she has thrown so many dicks i started to think she was a bananna tree but ive dilegently picked 98% of them off have found a few that opened unfortunatly but im gonna grow out the bud anyways and see how she turns out, only plant i have going currently so no harm done just have some seedy smoke but bet its still dank!

OldMedUser · May 7, 2017

Nice plant and no harm in gambling with a hermie when it's the only plant in the room.

Just don't twist up a mature seed in a joint and have it blow up scattering red hot chunks all over your mom's expensive wool living room carpet like I did 40 some years ago.

Budzbuddha · May 7, 2017

The weed gods smiled on you ...
I got some medicine at a local dispensary last year and the strain CANDY DREAM had one seed in it. I planted said plant and let it run . At harvest it produced a few more , but gave me one of the potent smokes ever. Heavy sativa Blue Dream cross - with purp GDP .
rodelization
Is probably what happened to your girl . It really isnt a bad thing overall especially if plant DID NOT SHOW typical hermie traits.
rodelization can happen from ANY stress whether from feeding / overwatering or other reasons. This is why all weed plants are handled differently and not the same. Some like lighter feeds , some dont . All mj can make male flowers. The bananas can be carefully harvested and stored for future seed making ( its ALL female pollen ) since no males were involved.

I took cutting from this original at week 4/5 of veg for cloning ... Those plants at harvest produced a few more , never alot just a 8-10 from whole plant.

I took the female bananas i found on a couple plants and saved pollen , now i dust a few branches on flowering plants and harvest as usual.
I keep the strain going and have seeds for days.

Its natures way of prolonging its line ......

tpc_mikey · May 7, 2017

ON my GG i have noticed some crazy hermies, i will have a calyx with several hairs coming out of it and then few days later it will have like 2 to 3 nanners start growing out of them

OldMedUser · May 8, 2017

Twice I've had males start growing female flowers so Lady Cannabis swings both ways.

MichiganMedGrower · May 8, 2017

OldMedUser said:
It will be the same strain but will likely hermie as well. Didn't try to reveg the original plant?

Would be worth growing it out as only about 1/3 of plants grown from seed like that will be full-blown hermies so you might get lucky and end up with a female that doesn't herm on you. Some herms will pop a few balls early then not show anymore.

I plant stress seeds I have collected often. I have had no more problems than any other seed.

There are never more than a couple seeds even on a bad Grow that has some mid to late bananas showing. I grow chem, diesel and Thai hybrids and they tend to have this tendency sometimes.

Unless the genetics are really bad in the first place what you say here is just a myth. 1/3 of them. Cmon'

MichiganMedGrower · May 8, 2017

backtracker said:
If it's from a feminized plant there are no male chromosomes in it so where did the male chromosomes come from to make it a herm which has both? I get single seeds sometimes from plants from feminized seeds not stressed 0 signs of herming.

They grow stamen but hidden. No seeds with no pollen.

Still quite normal to find a seed or two on many strains.

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