doug mirabelli
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I'm using sensi grow and bloom for my 5 gal. bucket DWC grow. How much sensi grow should i put in the bucket in milliliters?
Sensi Grow/Bloom Question
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doug mirabelli
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I have an auto ak not germinated yet..I am unsure of how to read the labels bc i dont know how much PPM I should be using...http://www.auroralighting.ca/images/SensiGrowPartA_label.jpg
squarepush3r
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it believe its 5ml of each per gallon.
flamdrags420
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hey doug
you will want to determine the PPM you want to run the nutes at. It's recommend to get a good quality PPM Meter to use when mixing your nutes. If you don't have access to a meter, just refer to the instructions that on the jugs. They should have the volume needed to add to the corresponding PPM right there on the label. As per your question, in ML per your 5 gal bucket question
So it just comes down to some math. Either converting that charts ml/L number (converting L to gal, this will give you ml/gal) Or convert the enlgish scale on the label from tsps./gal to ml/gal etc.)
I like this site for conversions
If you need help with the math
throw it out there. We can double check your work.
GL
you will want to determine the PPM you want to run the nutes at. It's recommend to get a good quality PPM Meter to use when mixing your nutes. If you don't have access to a meter, just refer to the instructions that on the jugs. They should have the volume needed to add to the corresponding PPM right there on the label. As per your question, in ML per your 5 gal bucket question
So it just comes down to some math. Either converting that charts ml/L number (converting L to gal, this will give you ml/gal) Or convert the enlgish scale on the label from tsps./gal to ml/gal etc.)
I like this site for conversions
If you need help with the math
throw it out there. We can double check your work.
GL
doug mirabelli
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That is a quality response flamdrags..thank you..How should i determine the PPM i should run my nutes at? Did you mean you like this site for the conversions (rollitup) or did you forget to paste the link on? Also, when is the best time to start the sensigrows? Ive herd to start it whne the seedling is in the hydroton and ive herd to start it after the 4th set of leaves. Much appreciated.
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Dougie's goin deep
flamdrags420
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I can't answer that for you per say
there are different takes to it
I am basing my stuff off of the stickies up on top
lots of good stuff there
read that harvest every two weeks and al b facts
even if you choose not to do that method of growing he teaches many basics that are good to know for growing regardless of grow type.
What I see to be a good starting based on all of my research here is to start nutes right away at a low dose of around 150PPM. The other method is to water only at correct PH and then add the nutes when you see good root growth. (instead of just the one main tap root, you should ideally wait until you see multiple vigorous roots) With that I hear around 400 ppm and gradually raise it per 1 or 2 week tanking schedule. Healthy plants in the vegging stage I have seen 1500-1800 PPM being common. While flowering plants I have seen 1400 PPM being common. People adjust the str of nutes and feeding schedule based on conditions of the room, type of nutes, watering schedule (usually based on media type), strain of plant, and other factors not forgeting experience.
Ok so I'm rambling on. Advanced has reccommendations for PPM and feeding on their site as well. Although A common gripe I see from canibus growers is that the companies recommendations are sometimes way off on what is needed etc..
Good luck check out those stickes
Oh ya forgot the conversion things
guess it didn't display the link. I just type metric conversion on my firefox and that site pops up. Try google search for metric conversion or tsp to ml etc. If you need help with the numbers send me a PM
there are different takes to it
I am basing my stuff off of the stickies up on top
lots of good stuff there
read that harvest every two weeks and al b facts
even if you choose not to do that method of growing he teaches many basics that are good to know for growing regardless of grow type.
What I see to be a good starting based on all of my research here is to start nutes right away at a low dose of around 150PPM. The other method is to water only at correct PH and then add the nutes when you see good root growth. (instead of just the one main tap root, you should ideally wait until you see multiple vigorous roots) With that I hear around 400 ppm and gradually raise it per 1 or 2 week tanking schedule. Healthy plants in the vegging stage I have seen 1500-1800 PPM being common. While flowering plants I have seen 1400 PPM being common. People adjust the str of nutes and feeding schedule based on conditions of the room, type of nutes, watering schedule (usually based on media type), strain of plant, and other factors not forgeting experience.
Ok so I'm rambling on. Advanced has reccommendations for PPM and feeding on their site as well. Although A common gripe I see from canibus growers is that the companies recommendations are sometimes way off on what is needed etc..
Good luck check out those stickes
Oh ya forgot the conversion things
guess it didn't display the link. I just type metric conversion on my firefox and that site pops up. Try google search for metric conversion or tsp to ml etc. If you need help with the numbers send me a PM
laserbrn
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I know EXACTLY how much Sensi Grow you need to add to your ungerminated seeds. ZERO. Plain water....two weeks...That's a good start. That gives you two weeks to get a PPM meter. Either get a meter or buy some soil. Your potential for success here is really low without the meter.
oscarmiya
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Listen to laserbrn...
I use a 10 gal ebb & flow and dump about 25-35ml when Veg'n (I only veg couple weeks before flowering) & 50-60ml per 5gal bucket when plants are Flowering. Not a spec of burn or signs of stress, actually the healthiest plants I've ever grown by far (G13 Haze, Violator Kush, Thai Super Skunk, & Pineapple Express going right now using AN's Sensi G/B, AN Big Bud, AN B-52, & Hygrozyme)
Just switched from General Hydroponics to Advanced Nutrients this grow, impressed so far.
GL
I use a 10 gal ebb & flow and dump about 25-35ml when Veg'n (I only veg couple weeks before flowering) & 50-60ml per 5gal bucket when plants are Flowering. Not a spec of burn or signs of stress, actually the healthiest plants I've ever grown by far (G13 Haze, Violator Kush, Thai Super Skunk, & Pineapple Express going right now using AN's Sensi G/B, AN Big Bud, AN B-52, & Hygrozyme)
Just switched from General Hydroponics to Advanced Nutrients this grow, impressed so far.
GL
doug mirabelli
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Certainly will not be growing with soil..I suppose I should get a meter..What exactly am i measuring PPM, EC, TDS?? Do I measure it after, that doesn't seem to make sense..Thanks guys appreciate all of your inputs..I'll check out the stickes..would this meter suffice? http://cgi.ebay.com/HM-Digital-TDS-EZ-Meter-Tester-Water-ppm-Purity-Filter_W0QQitemZ270411724544QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef5cb7700#ht_2047wt_1165
doug mirabelli
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DO I measure the solution after I put the nutes in the reservoir** is what i meant
laserbrn
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Yes, you'll want to measure the reservoir. You measure the reservoir and see what PPM it is. Then if raise it by the desired amount.
You might put 50ppm in for the first couple of weeks, but you don't need to. Seriously, the seeds have the energy stored in them to get through the "seedling" stage.
doug mirabelli
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When would be a good time to start the Bloom solution? I read the joint dr's guide..He recommended to start using it on the 3rd week. Mind you, this is an autoflowering strain.. They do progress faster than photoperiod strains... Im not discrediting you--clearly you know what your shit..Just tryin to get answers while I can.. Thanks again
doug mirabelli
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Theyre only showing the bloom solutions on it
laserbrn
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I did miss that these were autoflowering. Doesn't change anything except that I would use Sensi Bloom and just pass on Sensi Grow.
My default feeding schedule would look something like this:
Week 1: 0 PPM
Week 2: 0 PPM
Week 3: 200 PPM - Start @ 50 PPM at the start of week 3 and increase by 50 PPM daily until 200ppm is reached.
Week 4: 200 PPM
Week 5: 400 PPM - Raise by 100ppm daily until 400ppm is reached.
Week 6: 600ppm+
From there it's up to you depending on what you use and what the plants really tell you.
This is just a guideline that I would use and from there it's a matter of letting the plants tell you what to do.
If your PPM is dropping while your water level drops then you need more nutes.
If your PPM is rising while your water level drops then you need to lower the nutes a little.
If the PPM stays stable while the water level drops you've got it in a good range.
Those are the first indicators.
Second indicators are the plants. If they look light green and are yellowing they need more nutes. (assuming you can rule out all other problems and you've been on top of your ph). It's easy for me to spot underfed plants nowadays. Overfed plants will start to look dark green and well, overfed. They may also develope "The Claw" and growth may be slowed.
You get better at the game the more times you've played it, but starting with a good guideline keeps you from guessing all along the way. Especially with AN nutes that WILL burn your plants if you follow their feeding schedule.
My default feeding schedule would look something like this:
Week 1: 0 PPM
Week 2: 0 PPM
Week 3: 200 PPM - Start @ 50 PPM at the start of week 3 and increase by 50 PPM daily until 200ppm is reached.
Week 4: 200 PPM
Week 5: 400 PPM - Raise by 100ppm daily until 400ppm is reached.
Week 6: 600ppm+
From there it's up to you depending on what you use and what the plants really tell you.
This is just a guideline that I would use and from there it's a matter of letting the plants tell you what to do.
If your PPM is dropping while your water level drops then you need more nutes.
If your PPM is rising while your water level drops then you need to lower the nutes a little.
If the PPM stays stable while the water level drops you've got it in a good range.
Those are the first indicators.
Second indicators are the plants. If they look light green and are yellowing they need more nutes. (assuming you can rule out all other problems and you've been on top of your ph). It's easy for me to spot underfed plants nowadays. Overfed plants will start to look dark green and well, overfed. They may also develope "The Claw" and growth may be slowed.
You get better at the game the more times you've played it, but starting with a good guideline keeps you from guessing all along the way. Especially with AN nutes that WILL burn your plants if you follow their feeding schedule.
doug mirabelli
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dude, great help.. I plan on being on top of the Ph..I may refer back to you in the case that she gets sick if thats cool..Thanks man
redi jedi
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You can select different base nutes in the same box that says bloom...just mess with it some more...
Laserbrn...not saying your wrong, but the info in the calc will get you in the ballpark....especially if your new to the game..
laserbrn
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Yeah, just refer back to this thread. I'm subscribed to it so I'll see it come up. Good luck, and remember that if you want to grow bigger plants or you want them to grow faster, don't think "add more nutrients", think "I need more light". If you have healthy looking plants and everything is going well but you wish they were bigger, think about lights, not nutrients. It will only hurt you and slow them down even more to strengthen the solution.
Dont' listen to the hype on all of the products and all of the bullshit the guy at the hydro store tries to sell you. You see my avatar, I use AN Sensi 2 part + Big Bud and Overdrive. Bud Blood is a joke. I don't know what the hell they were thinking, but it's a worthless and overpriced product.
doug mirabelli
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Lighting is somewhat of an issue for me.. Although i want to get an HPS setup going in the future for the free seeds given to me with my auto ak order, I do not want to spend the money right now..plus i have concerns of fire potential in my current growing area (off campus appt small closet)..i plan on upgrading in real home. Right now I'm thinking 5 42 watt cfl's.. It is bothersome because I know hps is clearly superior..Your avatar is incredible..that is what i strive for one day..what kind of lighting did you use
laserbrn
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I'm not saying your wrong, but search Advanced Nutrients and Nutrient Burn on Google or on this forum. Or just hang around a little while and count the # of users you see in a month. The AN calculators are generally too strong and they don't explain well enough the seedling stage and that the nutrients need to be incrementally increased. I've never followed their autoflowering schedules so maybe they are more realistic, but I would be shocked if they weren't setup too strong.