shes on her last legs

Basically having a few issues,l with my green gelato from Royal queens seeds l, and sort of on my last chance on saving her, she's only getting worse atm she is in just water at 0.7 ph 5.8 she was earlier at 6.2 and 0.9 but was reduced to 0.8 and now 0.7 ( tap wayer] due to no idea how to solve, using ph perfect advanced nutes sensi grow a an b, she's about near 2 weeks old using a bubbler so aero phonics? And under a 250w hps And was using great white shark powder but changed bucket, any suggestions appreciated, and idea what's wrong? Tried using the forum main post but all the photos don't work, thanks in advance!

what is the temp of the water? Show the roots... how much air you running?

I do not have anything to check temps of water, it's a tent, in a room with window, with extractor on and temp doesn't rise above 27 or lower than 24,

It's next to 3 other same size plants too, and 1 of them has something similar but theve stopped getting worse and sorting themselves out

And roots look perfectly healthy but il take image just to show

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And roots look perfectly healthy but il take image just to show

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Take a pic of the good plants as well, for comparison.

My phone died so I'm waiting 2 mins to charge it before taking more, the other 3 are of two other strains so a little harder to compare, il upload roots of problem one and the other plants and few more of problematic plant in 2 mins

These are from the real bad one

How much room is between your light and the canopy?

Just grow them out and don't worry too much. The other pics look fine. Maybe you just burnt the shit out of it? I keep my plants at 5.2-6.5ph and nute by the #'s. If ppm goes up I dilute with water. If ppm goes down, I add nutrient. Checked daily, fresh nutrient water every 7-10 days. Im only growing my first plants but I practiced with veggies for a year and got the hang of things. GOod Luck

Yeah this my second grow, what's weird is before I started feeding her she was doing whatever she's doing now, and basically Iv dropped it due to water ec keep raising Evan with just a ml of a + b so it really can't be burning an if I'm honest there all having problems, some same some not

And about a foot , she's not burning from heat due to highest of heat 26 and she's not too close too, and she's burnings bottom up not top to bottom

And any idea on wtf this is on one of the others I'd highly appreciate it too.........

ziklaus123 said:

Basically having a few issues,l with my green gelato from Royal queens seeds l, and sort of on my last chance on saving her, she's only getting worse atm she is in just water at 0.7 ph 5.8 she was earlier at 6.2 and 0.9 but was reduced to 0.8 and now 0.7 ( tap wayer] due to no idea how to solve, using ph perfect advanced nutes sensi grow a an b, she's about near 2 weeks old using a bubbler so aero phonics? And under a 250w hps And was using great white shark powder but changed bucket, any suggestions appreciated, and idea what's wrong? Tried using the forum main post but all the photos don't work, thanks in advance!

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so your only in tap water with no nutrients in it?

I think the tap water is messing with you and or its nutrient or ph issue. Plant looks like it could use calmag.

When was the last time the ph probe was calibrated, you have the ph drops those are never wrong.

Yeah Calibrated now, at the time it was 0.1 out and it was sitting at 6.1, so it prob was 6.2 which is where I think the problem arised, and got a blue lab ppm meter today as mine only ran ec an doesn't really tell ya when it feeding really, compared to ppm, I'm glad you say cal mag, ive done further research and that looks closest to issue, I have just gone out and got some cal mag extra so chuck a lil of that in them

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Yeah Calibrated now, at the time it was 0.1 out and it was sitting at 6.1, so it prob was 6.2 which is where I think the problem arised, and got a blue lab ppm meter today as mine only ran ec an doesn't really tell ya when it feeding really, compared to ppm, I'm glad you say cal mag, ive done further research and that looks closest to issue, I have just gone out and got some cal mag extra so chuck a lil of that in them

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A ph of 6.1 to 6.2 isnt that big of a jump so that isnt the issue. Ec and ppm mean the same. You didnt say if there are nute in your water or not.

if your water temp is at say 70-72f and the ph is at 6.0 and your feeding a quality nute and since they are small might want to start at say 300 ppm with that they should grow without to much trouble if the environment is ok. And your roots look fine so it basically is coming down to strain specific and it looks like yours like the cal mag. I say calmag because it looks like it wants both not just one or the other. I would feed the calmag at 2ml per gallon.

I might suggest that you try to pull the rockwool up a little bit you dont want the rockwool being wet all of the time if it is getting wet ALL of the time.

So what is the ppm of the tap water? you have nutes in it ? When I tried the tap it messed with my plants and made my ppms way to high when I added nutes and if I use less nutes to keep the ppms down it was underfeeding them. Thats why I use r/o water in hydro if it was soil there is a buffer so tap imo is better in soil than a hydro grow.

And I would suggest getting the ph drops just to check it with the drops to make sure the ph pen is saying what the drops are telling you. You dont want a pen that reads 6.0 and the drops is in the red reading 4.5 or something like that, the drops are accurate the pen is off, you dont want to be in that situation.

I think it started a chain of reactions, from a ph at 6.2 caused a deficiency because a certain thing needed for grow locksout at 6.0 , only going by what I read on a chart about lockouts, and since I've corrected ph to 5.8, and checked them with 2 Pens and the drops aswell, all slowly stopped showing more symptoms expect for that one reason I took food out thinking she was being fussy, only second grow so I'm still learning, last one was on tap water had no issues really, and taste better than the weed im normally sold lol, but yeah the ppm of my water is ppm reading 320 at ec of 0.7 I've added a ml of each a +b went to 360 and it seems to of gone down 10 in past hour and half /2, the Rockwool is not that wet thankfully, the original plan was thed been in the Dwc about 3/4 days then I bump them to 0.9 if they don't show burn or continuous pushes to 1.0 is higher to 1.0 , I was only told to get a ppm pen due to it being easier to tell when it's feeding, as it drops in 10s not 0.1's, unfortunately I don't use the metric gallons, English so I use litres but that's roughly 1ml per ltr? As i tend to use most 1/4 strength of what it says on bottle lol

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I think it started a chain of reactions, from a ph at 6.2 caused a deficiency because a certain thing needed for grow locksout at 6.0 , only going by what I read on a chart about lockouts, and since I've corrected ph to 5.8, and checked them with 2 Pens and the drops aswell, all slowly stopped showing more symptoms expect for that one reason I took food out thinking she was being fussy, only second grow so I'm still learning, last one was on tap water had no issues really, and taste better than the weed im normally sold lol, but yeah the ppm of my water is ppm reading 320 at ec of 0.7 I've added a ml of each a +b went to 360 and it seems to of gone down 10 in past hour and half /2, the Rockwool is not that wet thankfully, the original plan was thed been in the Dwc about 3/4 days then I bump them to 0.9 if they don't show burn or continuous pushes to 1.0 is higher to 1.0 , I was only told to get a ppm pen due to it being easier to tell when it's feeding, as it drops in 10s not 0.1's, unfortunately I don't use the metric gallons, English so I use litres but that's roughly 1ml per ltr? As i tend to use most 1/4 strength of what it says on bottle lol

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So what it sounds like is that you just have 320 tap water in there and 40 ppms of nutes. I think the tap is fucking with you. I would say your underfeeding them I suggest doubling the nutrients and wait and see what happens. Maybe raise the light up half a foot to slow things down till it heals/grows out of it.

if everything was on point
If you had pure clean no ppm water and gave it about 300-350 ppms worth of balanced nutes from a quality source in it that would turn right around in no time with roots like you posted.

Ya 100% that tap water is the issue. There’s no room for what the plant needs in that water, or what’s ideal that is.

There is a reference somewhere to what the max ppm your tap water should be but for hydroponics. I think anything over 200ppm isn’t ideal.

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Ya 100% that tap water is the issue. There’s no room for what the plant needs in that water, or what’s ideal that is.

There is a reference somewhere to what the max ppm your tap water should be but for hydroponics. I think anything over 200ppm isn’t ideal.

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right when my r/o water gets to 150 time to start looking to get new membranes. I tried tap once tap doesnt work for me.