Snowden story sounds fishy to me

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gagekko

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Highschool dropout... Dating a stripper... Posted several questionable comments online... Now I don't think there is anything wrong with what he did - I question how he passed the $100,000 background check. Either someone dropped the ball big time or this is just another covert operation.

But if anyone really thought they aren't be tracked online, texts filed, phone calls recorded - you are living in a fantasy world. "They hate us for our freedoms" - lol, ya right :P
 
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tokeprep

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gagekko said:
Highschool dropout... Dating a stripper... Posted several questionable comments online... Now I don't think there is anything wrong with what he did - I question how he passed the $100,000 background check. Either someone dropped the ball big time or this is just another covert operation.

But if anyone really thought they aren't be tracked online, texts filed, phone calls recorded - you are living in a fantasy world. "They hate us for our freedoms" - lol, ya right :P
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I think it just proves that military service isn't necessarily a horrible life choice.

If you make six figures it's not hard to have a stripper girlfriend.
 
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gagekko

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tokeprep said:
I think it just proves that military service isn't necessarily a horrible life choice.

If you make six figures it's not hard to have a stripper girlfriend.
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Haha, you can be poor and land a stripper - just have steady access to ecstasy is all it takes :/
 
echelon1k1

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gagekko said:
Highschool dropout... Dating a stripper... Posted several questionable comments online... Now I don't think there is anything wrong with what he did - I question how he passed the $100,000 background check. Either someone dropped the ball big time or this is just another covert operation.

But if anyone really thought they aren't be tracked online, texts filed, phone calls recorded - you are living in a fantasy world. "They hate us for our freedoms" - lol, ya right :P
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TS/SCI clearances or "UMBRA" for the NSA run you up to about $15k, but they also come with a PR, periodic reinvestigation every 5 years in the TS category. Lot's of high school dropouts in the military hold TS/SCI or SSBI clearances and the stripper thing is really a non-event, remember when they polygraph you as part of the vetting process they ask you all those questions, in part so they know your secrets so you can't be blackmailed or coerced into a compromising or treasonous position.
 
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gagekko

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echelon1k1 said:
TS/SCI clearances or "UMBRA" for the NSA only run you about $15k, but they also come with a PR, periodic reinvestigation every 5 years in the TS category. Lot's of high school dropouts in the military hold TS/SCI or SSBI clearances and the stripper thing is really a non-event, remember when they polygraph you as part of the vetting process they ask you all those questions, in part so they know your secrets so you can't be blackmailed or coerced into a compromising or treasonous position.
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Really? I know a guy that works at Lockheed and he says there is no way he could even get a job there due to these questionable items in his background - he told me his top secret clearance involved FBI interviews and is estimated to cost about $100k... I would think NSA clearance would be even more stringent. Maybe he goes through a different type of background check or is misinformed :/
 
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gagekko said:
Really? I know a guy that works at Lockheed and he says there is no way he could even get a job there due to these questionable items in his background - he told me his top secret clearance involved FBI interviews and is estimated to cost about $100k... I would think NSA clearance would be even more stringent. Maybe he goes through a different type of background check or is misinformed :/
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I think he might have exaggerated on the cost, although it wouldn't be a stretch to think the US gov (Defence Industrial Security Clearance Office) is jacking up the prices to contractors (after all it's a two way street) :lol:... I was strictly talking about a TS/SCI clearance as related to snowden, your mate could have been talking about the cost of clearances and the PR process over the course of a career, say 20 to 30 years? because that figure would be up there...
 
UncleBuck

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OP also thinks the holocaust sounds fishy.

point is that OP's judgment is about as valuable as a bag of dog shit n the hot sun.
 
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Doer

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gagekko said:
Really? I know a guy that works at Lockheed and he says there is no way he could even get a job there due to these questionable items in his background - he told me his top secret clearance involved FBI interviews and is estimated to cost about $100k... I would think NSA clearance would be even more stringent. Maybe he goes through a different type of background check or is misinformed :/
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Hey I have a friend that likes to spell mayonnaise. :) So what. It is bogus to think that your friend knows anything about the cost of investigation he claims he will fail.

And Top Secret is the lowest level of general clearance. It is said over 1.4 million US citizens have that. The Obama guys hand them out like candy. Manning had a TSC.

And if this guy was not honey trapped into this, by KGB, I'll eat a piece of your best hash. He is Russia to be with his girl....he thinks.
 
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Doer said:
Hey I have a friend that likes to spell mayonnaise. :) So what. It is bogus to think that your friend knows anything about the cost of investigation he claims he will fail.

And Top Secret is the lowest level of general clearance. It is said over 1.4 million US citizens have that. The Obama guys hand them out like candy. Manning had a TSC.

And if this guy was not honey trapped into this, by KGB, I'll eat a piece of your best hash. He is Russia to be with his girl....he thinks.
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You know the Arc Electronics/KGB, sorry FSB :lol:, case has barely gotten any coverage... It's been like a non-event in the media compared to snowden
 
Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
OP also thinks the holocaust sounds fishy.

point is that OP's judgment is about as valuable as a bag of dog shit n the hot sun.
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Could you qualify that please? Is a big bag of Saint. Bernard worth more or less than a little bag of minature poodle? Also, what if the bag is outside, but the sun isn't out, how does that affect the value?
 
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gagekko

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Doer said:
Hey I have a friend that likes to spell mayonnaise. :) So what. It is bogus to think that your friend knows anything about the cost of investigation he claims he will fail.

And Top Secret is the lowest level of general clearance. It is said over 1.4 million US citizens have that. The Obama guys hand them out like candy. Manning had a TSC.

And if this guy was not honey trapped into this, by KGB, I'll eat a piece of your best hash. He is Russia to be with his girl....he thinks.
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Pretty sure a "secret" clearance is the lowest level of general clearance.
 
UncleBuck

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i am not harassing you, i am pointing out that you have horrible judgment and using a prominent example to illustrate my point.

i'm sorry that you consider a reminder about your worldview to be harassment.

do you report yourself for harassment when you talk about how the holocaust never really happened?

:lol:
 
GOD HERE

GOD HERE

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This whole reporting for harassment thing is not only fucking gay, it doesn't do anything either. Maybe it pisses off Sunni, but that's about it. It's like being that petty little kid on the playground that always tattles on people and wonders why everyone hates him.
 
Doer

Doer

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A Confidential clearance, also known as a "public trust" clearance, this is hierarchically the first security clearance to get, typically requiring a few weeks to a few months of investigation

A Secret clearance, also known as Collateral Secret or Ordinary Secret, requires a few months to a year to investigate, depending on the individual's background.

Top Secret is a more stringent clearance. A Top Secret, or "TS", clearance, is often given as the result of a Single Scope Background Investigation, or SSBI.

Above that are Compartments. An individual may be granted access to, or read into, a compartment for any period of time. Top secret clearance might be required to access:

  • Communications intelligence, a subset of SIGINT
  • Design or stockpile information about nuclear weapons
  • Nuclear targeting

Area-specific clearances include:


I've had a Temp Q badge for Lawrence Livermore Labs. The application was about 4 pages of every detail of my childhood schooling, etc.

But, the main point of this is pretty simple. They higher up you get in clearance, the less you see. And what you do see can get you killed.

A clearance by itself is normally not sufficient to gain access; the organization must determine that the cleared individual needs to know the information. No one is supposed to be granted access to classified information solely because of rank, position, or a security clearance.
 
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echelon1k1

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Doer said:
A Confidential clearance, also known as a "public trust" clearance, this is hierarchically the first security clearance to get, typically requiring a few weeks to a few months of investigation

A Secret clearance, also known as Collateral Secret or Ordinary Secret, requires a few months to a year to investigate, depending on the individual's background.

Top Secret is a more stringent clearance. A Top Secret, or "TS", clearance, is often given as the result of a Single Scope Background Investigation, or SSBI.

Above that are Compartments. An individual may be granted access to, or read into, a compartment for any period of time. Top secret clearance might be required to access:

  • Communications intelligence, a subset of SIGINT
  • Design or stockpile information about nuclear weapons
  • Nuclear targeting

Area-specific clearances include:


I've had a Temp Q badge for Lawrence Livermore Labs. The application was about 4 pages of every detail up my chlidhood schooling, etc.

But, the main point of this is pretty simple. They higher up you get in clearance, the less you see. And what you do see can get you killed.

A clearance by itself is normally not sufficient to gain access; the organization must determine that the cleared individual needs to know the information. No one is supposed to be granted access to classified information solely because of rank, position, or a security clearance.
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You're lucky because they generally don't hand out temp clearances - unless you've got a good family history, by that I mean, have others in your family at one time or another held a clearance?
 
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Doer

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Yeah, I grew up on the Air Force bases. My Dad had Top Secret, (for Nuke Weapon storage.)

The Q badge needs an escort, at Livermore, iac. And, I needed a Q badge holder and an escort. So I needed 3 other people to get me to the work site.
 
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