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Petraeus and Ailes Outfoxed (from Truth Out)


As revealed by Bob Woodward in The Washington Post and discussed by Rachel Maddow on December 4, FOX is now on record as having become directly involved in trying to recruit a Republican candidate for president.

As Woodward reported:

So in spring 2011, Ailes asked a Fox News analyst headed to Afghanistan to pass on his thoughts to Petraeus, who was then the commander of U.S. and coalition forces there. Petraeus, Ailes advised, should turn down an expected offer from President Obama to become CIA director and accept nothing less than the chairmanship of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top military post. If Obama did not offer the Joint Chiefs post, Petraeus should resign from the military and run for president, Ailes suggested.

The Fox News chairman’s message was delivered to Petraeus by Kathleen T. McFarland, a Fox News national security analyst and former national security and Pentagon aide in three Republican administrations. She did so at the end of a 90-minute, unfiltered conversation with Petraeus that touched on the general’s future, his relationship with the media and his political aspirations — or lack thereof. The Washington Post has obtained a digital recording from the meeting, which took place in Petraeus’s office in Kabul.

McFarland also said that Ailes — who had a decades-long career as a Republican political consultant, advising Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — might resign as head of Fox to run a Petraeus presidential campaign. At one point, McFarland and Petraeus spoke about the possibility that Rupert Murdoch, the head of News Corp., which owns Fox News, would “bankroll” the campaign.

“Rupert’s after me as well,” Petraeus told McFarland.

Not long after the conversation between the FOX news emissary/analyst, Petraeus accepted the position of director of the CIA because he apparently thought that the role had become as important as being named head of the Joints Chiefs of Staff.

If you listen to the audio of the conversation between FOX's McFarland and Petraeus (or read the transcript here), it becomes clear that not only does Petraeus (now the ex-CIA director due to a sex scandal) express his admiration for Roger Ailes ("I love Roger," he says), but that he is very chummy with the Darth Vader of right wing news -- and owner of FOX -- Rupert Murdoch. The now disgraced general jokes that Ailes or Murdoch could bankroll a run for the presidency – if he were interested, but he was not inclined at the time that the conversation took place to run for higher office. Petraeus also implies that he understood FOX attacking Obama politically, but complained that they were now being critical of Petraeus's war in Afghanistan – and the general didn't like that much.

As Maddow notes -- among other insights that this recorded conversation provides us -- FOX has now lost its thin fig leaf of legitimacy as anything other than a bullhorn for the Republican Party. However, its fig leaf of not being mainlined into the GOP has always been a transparent one in any case. Ailes, who launched his career as a Republican propaganda maven after he met Richard Nixon when Nixon was a guest on the "Mike Douglas Show" in the '60s (which Ailes produced), has never really stopped being a political media and image strategist despite his disclaimers. He is selling a product, and the product is not soap suds; it is the Republican brand and programming that aids it in achieving its corporate governance policies by propaganda manipulation of the electorate.

Ailes admitted to Woodward that the conversation occurred – given that it was curiously on tape Ailes had no choice -- but tried to belittle it:

In a telephone interview Monday, the wily and sharp-tongued Ailes said he did indeed ask McFarland to make the pitch to Petraeus. “It was more of a joke, a wiseass way I have,” he said. “I thought the Republican field [in the primaries] needed to be shaken up and Petraeus might be a good candidate.”

A FOX national security analyst has a cozy conversation with Petraeus in which she also emphasizes how much Ailes and Murdoch want to personally talk to him about his running for president, but it was just a "wiseass" joke?

Ailes loves to play the self-deprecating naive political bumbler, while he oversees the Republican flagship media outlet – and intervenes in GOP politics.

Now we know that the tentacles of FOX reach further than putting potential GOP presidential candidates on the network's payroll, they reach right to the top in terms of kingmaking for the Republican Party.

While Ailes and Murdoch have made FOX into the farm team for the GOP, unfortunately Petraeus was playing another sort of game under his desk with Paula Broadwell.

Why hold a Republican Convention? You can just have Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly crown a GOP president nominee on FOX.


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The real questions...with so few people in the room, who released the audio and why did they wait until after the election to do it?

And spare me your MSNBC is some Democratic doppelganger. They're not even 10% of what Fox News is, and I'm not just referring to the ratings.
 
The transcript. It's long, but absolutely fascinating for a political junkie.

From the Washington Post

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McFarland: I’ve got something to say to you, by the way, directly from Roger
Ailes.

Petraeus: Oh, at . . . with no one else in the room? I hope?

Q: Well, you know. . . . You guys have ears? Or your ears are
dead? No. Okay. Here’s the . . . what I told Roger...

Petraeus: I’m not running. [Laughs]

Q: Okay. But I’m going to tell you that Roger Ailes — and I told him I was
coming . . .

Petraeus: I love Roger.

Q: I know. And he loves you, and everybody at Fox loves you. So what I’m
supposed to say directly from him to you, through me, is first of all, is there
anything Fox is doing, right or wrong, that you want to tell us to do
differently?

Petraeus: You know, actually, ask Bret Baier about this, because I actually
did say that I thought that. . . . I actually thought, in a sense,
sort of the editorial policy of Fox had shifted. Now, that . . .

Q: On the online, or on the news channel?

Petraeus: Well, I only watch the — you know, the. . . . But I
mean, it’s your stories that are online here. But it just struck me that it was
almost as if, because they’re going after Obama, they had to go after Obama’s
war as well, actually. And I told that to Bret when he was out here. That —
again, some of it was headlines, but they . . .

Q: Well, headlines is easy to fix, because the lady who does that is the desk
next to mine, if you . . .

Petraeus: Well, my honest sense was that — you know, I mean, papers and news
outlets have editorial policies.

Q: Yeah, of course they do.

Petraeus: They know sort of how their bosses feel about things.

Q: Of course they do.

Petraeus: And it causes a certain shading.

Q: Okay.

Petraeus: And with respect, for example. . . . I mean, again, off the record,
the New York Times was never going to give Bush or Iraq a break, I don’t care
what happened.

Q: No. No. He could come up with the cure for cancer, and he’s still
. . .

Petraeus: They could never. . . . It just was never going to
happen. I remember, in fact, one time [New York Times reporter] Thom Shanker,
who I think very highly of, wrote a piece. And it was on me, before I was going
to testify one time, and they had — a pretty good piece, I mean, factual, in
other words. Again, all we want is the truth. We’re not out to spin. But then it
had this sort of really odd thing inserted in it. And it was something that had
been proven unfounded, but it sort of bounced around on the MoveOn.org kind of Webs. And I said, Thom, where did that
come from? He said, oh, that was added by the editors. So again, you...

Q: Yeah.

Petraeus: But I sensed, actually. . . . She asked is there
something that Fox can do better?

Q: Fox — yeah. This is a direct from my boss to . . .

Petraeus: I mean, we discussed this actually with [Fox anchor] Bret [Baier],
and you may want to spend a little more time on it with her.

Q: I can tell you, though, that politically — and Fox represents, I guess
they love to say they get a map of the United States, and they cover the East
Coast, they cover the West Coast and say, our audience is in the middle. There,
I think there is a split, which I certainly saw in the Reagan administration,
where you come in. . . . When Reagan came in as a conservative,
where he had fiscal conservatives and foreign-policy conservatives united.

Petraeus: Yeah.

Q: And everybody was happy with that plan. And then two years into the Reagan
defense buildup, when there were questions about, do you choose? Do you have to
choose balanced budget or defense buildup? The fiscal conservatives . . . and a
bunch of guys in the Senate . . .

Petraeus: Yeah. Yeah.

Q: They broke off. And they said, well, defense is not exempt.

Petraeus: You bet.

Q: And I think so that’s what you’re seeing now in the Republican Party. And
I don’t know that it’s an Obama reflection as much as it’s a tea party...

Petraeus: Yeah, there’s some of that.

Q: Is that their sense, that the most important thing America can do — and
they always quote Hillary and they always quote Admiral Mullen saying, the most
important national security interest is the American economy. Therefore
. . . and so I think that’s what you’re seeing. And you’re
certainly seeing it with Bill O’Reilly.

Petraeus: Yeah.

Q: And you’re seeing it with some of the other anchors, where they’re
becoming very skeptical. Like Shepard Smith is saying: Oh, right, we’ve heard
that before.

Petraeus: Sure.

Q: I think that’s it. But I don’t think it’s an editorial policy.

Petraeus: Yeah, okay.

Q: And it’s a very pro-military — it remains . . .

Petraeus: It is. I mean, Bill O’Reilly has been one of the.
. . . He stuck . . . you know that old saying that —
actually I say it also about the Three Amigos, [Sens. John] McCain, [Joseph]
Lieberman and Lindsey Graham.

Q: Yeah, yeah, and Lindsey Graham, yeah.

Petraeus: Grant used to say, yeah, there’s old Sherman. I stood by him while
he was crazy, and he stood by me while I was drunk. And every time I see McCain,
I think about that. [Laughter] Because they stood by me when I was
crazy. And so did Bill O’Reilly, actually. But again, I do sense there is a
little — it is. You can sense a skepticism.

Q: It is a skepticism. It’s a cynical skepticism.

Petraeus: But skepticism is informing the reporting, to a slight degree. Or
the way it’s being reported. And I guess that’s the concern that I have. That it
could sort of unduly undermine — Bret got it right, I think, when he was out
here, certainly. Again, judge for yourself. You’re going to get out and see
stuff for yourself, and you’ll see how it’s different from two years ago. I
mean, the fact is that two years ago . . .

Q: I wrote it off two years ago. I thought it was hopeless . . .

Petraeus: Marja [Afghanistan] . . . this is right after the
debate and then voting. Two years ago, Marja was the headquarters of the
Taliban, and also the illegal narcotics industry. So in the market in Marja,
they sold illegal narcotics and explosives.

Q: In the same stall.

Petraeus: Yeah.

Q: No, when I was here two years ago, everybody I asked — military, Afghan
military, Afghan political, NGO — what’s the mission? Who’s the enemy? How do
you know you’ve won? And every single time, I got different answers.

Petraeus: Yeah. I think you’ll find that . . .

Q: You know, who’s the enemy? And I think now it’s not.

Petraeus: Yeah.

Q: Now, the other thing — I know you’ve only got a minute left — the other
thing, which is directly advice to you from Roger Ailes is . . .

Man: You want us to leave, sir? [Laughter]

Petraeus: [Laughs] I’m not runnin’.

Q: That’s not the question at this point. He says that if you’re offered
chairman, take it. If you’re offered anything else, don’t take it, resign in six
months and run for president. Okay? And I know you’re not running for president.
But at some point when you go to New York next, you may want to just chat with
Roger. And Rupert Murdoch, for that matter.

Petraeus: Well . . . Well, Rupert’s after me, as well. Look, I
. . . what I have told people is, I truly want to continue to serve
my country if it is in a — you know, a quite significantly meaningful position.
And there’s all of about two of those in the world. You all have really got to
shut your mouths — or shut your . . . Yeah, shut your mouths, too.


Q: I’m only reporting this back to Roger. And that’s our deal.


Petraeus: And obviously the chairman would be one of them, and there might be
one other. But that’s about it. And I’m not going to — you know, don’t want to
go to NATO meetings for the rest of my life, or fight service budget battles or
anything like that.


Q: Can I give you the gossip that I’ve picked up about all that?


Petraeus: What’s that?


Q: I mean, I’m sure you hear better gossip, but I talked to some former
chiefs about this very topic. And they said, well, you know, the White House is
particularly nervous . . .


Petraeus: Of course they are.


Q: Well, but . . . and here’s the thinking: that they’re nervous
about. . . . They feel that Obama had this mandate. And the mandate — in his own
mind. Obama wanted to do Obamacare. . . . He wanted to do
environment, which is basically controlling all aspects of the economy. And
education, which is the future. So he pushed for Obamacare. He got that done.
They didn’t anticipate 2010 results. But he now is going to lie low and be very
centrist so that they win in ’12 and they get the other two. Now, what they need
— and this is not from the chiefs, this is from political people — and what they
need to cement it so that it doesn’t get reversed is a third term. And that
means 2016, they need to win, the Democrats need to win, and they need to win
with their guy. Their kind of guy. So that then you’d have the stuff as locked
in place for a generation. Nobody can come in like Reagan came in and
reverse.


Petraeus: Yeah. Yeah.


Q: And that’s their plan. You’re their problem.


Petraeus: [Laughs] I’m not.


Q: “I’m not” — okay. You can laugh all you want. Here’s the rationale.


Petraeus: They can never believe . . .


Q: I know. They’re probably related to [Pakistani President] Asif Ali
Zardari. They are. But their plan is . . .


Petraeus: [Laughs] That’s right. [Laughter]


Q: Okay. But they think if you’re chairman, they can’t overrule you. They
can’t go against whatever your advice is going to be, militarily. Plus, they
have a Colin Powell problem. Where Colin Powell, very successful chairman, is
everybody’s sort of rallying point to run for an office where there’s nobody
that they think is — that the group can . . .


Petraeus: But of course he didn’t run.


Q: But he could have.


Petraeus: And he wouldn’t have. No.


Q: He could have. Politically, he could have. So they look at you and they
think, how can we keep him quiet? We don’t want him out on the loose to
potentially run in ’12, and we sure don’t want him in ’16. We’ll put him at the
CIA, where he can speak publicly twice a year before an open session of
Congress. No backgrounders to the press, no Sunday talk shows, no speeches, no
nothing. Now, I’m throwing that out as gossip. Whether it’s true or not, whether
it’s a bunch of Zardaris wandering around Washington. . . . But
I’ve heard that from more than one person. I mean, I’ve heard that from some
pretty significant and senior people.


Petraeus: Well, look, I mean, I can do math and reason, as well. But an awful
lot of what we do in the future — believe it or not in Libya, right now,
perhaps . . .


Q: Yeah.


Petraeus: . . . is what that organization can do. So
that’s . . .


Q: Yes.


Petraeus: And if you want to contribute. . . . I’m not out to go
out and make money. The offers are unbelievable.


Q: No, you would’ve done that before now.


Petraeus: I would have done it long ago. So it really is about serving.


Q: So what do I tell Roger when he says . . .


Petraeus: Tell him I don’t. . . I mean, I don’t know what
they’re going to offer me, anyway. I really don’t know.


Q: Okay. But there are only two. . . . So I can say something
along the following lines . . .


Petraeus: Well, but don’t — that has to be off the record.


Q: There are potentially two jobs that you’d be interested in. His deal with
me was that I was only supposed to talk to you.


Petraeus: Yeah, okay.


Q: And my deal with you will be, I sit down with him. And he is a little
paranoid, so — believe me, he doesn’t have anybody in that room.


Petraeus: Sure. Yeah. Okay.


Q: Okay, so . . .


Petraeus: Well, so we’ll see what happens. Look, he gets to pick the chairman
he wants, and the guy he’s comfortable with. That’s the deal. And if they’re
uncomfortable with a guy who they know will be heard, then okay, so be it.
That’s his choice.


Q: But you’re looking at something like the other one as potentially where
you make the difference in Libya.


Petraeus: I think you can make a huge difference. I think that’s a national
asset — I think it’s a treasure.


Q: Libya?


Petraeus: No, I’m talking about the organization.


Q: Oh, you mean covert ops.


Petraeus: I think that organization is full of just, heroes. Unsung heroes,
which is the way they want to be. And again, so . . .


Q: And I agree with you. With the Arab Spring, you lose or you win it on
covert . . .


Petraeus: If you look at . . . we’re not going to go out, do
much more, I don’t think — I mean, I was surprised we did Libya.


Q: Oh, that was insane.


Petraeus: I mean, we’ve got . . . so if that’s the extent of
what we’re going to do, we’re going to be retrenching militarily.


Petraeus: Again, you’re going to take big budget cuts, and it’s going to be
all about . . . it’s going to be the post-, sort of the early 1990s
kind of stuff.


Q: Yeah. It’ll be the “peace dividend” after Iraq, and after Afghanistan,
it’ll be the peace dividend. Libya is a little bit of a screw-up on that.


Petraeus: Yeah. Yeah. But on the other hand, the other folks — on the other
hand — I think are going to be in a growth industry.


Q: You mean Obamacare . . .


Petraeus: No, intelligence.


Q: Oh, the bad guys?


Petraeus: Yeah, the intelligence community, I think, is going to be
. . .


Q: The bad guys, or our — you mean our intelligence community?


Petraeus: Our intelligence community. Going to have to be. I mean, there’s so
much going on.


Q: Or you opt out.


Petraeus: Yeah. Yeah.


Q: Or you do what Carter did in the 1980s and the late ’70s.


Petraeus: Yeah, well, and if you do that, then I say, well, it’s been great
to serve.


Q: And then you come to Fox, and then we all sign up. [Laughter] No,
but can I just say that — can I just tell him what I’ve suggested, and that
we’ve discussed . . .


Petraeus: Yeah, sure.


Q: . . . is that next time you go to New York you’re going to
stop by and see him?


Petraeus: I’d be happy. I would love to see him. I haven’t seen him in a
while, so . . .


Q: I think he would very much appreciate the conversation.


Petraeus: I would love to see. . . . Yeah. He’s a brilliant
guy.


Q: He is simply brilliant. I don’t know if you’ve ever . . .



Petraeus: He is. Tell him if I ever ran [laughs] but I won’t
. . .


Q: Okay, I know. I know.


Petraeus: But if I ever ran, I’d take him up on his offer.


Q: Okay. All right.


Petraeus: He said he would quit Fox.


Q: I know. Look, he’s not the only one.


Petraeus: And bankroll it.


Q: Bankroll it? [Laughs]


Petraeus: Or maybe I’m confusing that with Rupert. No. [Laughter]



Q: I know Roger, he’s done okay, but . . . no, I think the one
who’s bankrolling it is the big boss.


Petraeus: That might be it.


Q: Okay. The big boss is bankrolling it. Roger’s going to run it. And the
rest of us are going to be your in-house.


Petraeus: Yeah, right. Okay.


Q: We’re all set. . . .


Petraeus: It’s never going to happen. You know it’s never going to happen. It
really isn’t.


Q: I know it’s never going to happen.


Petraeus: My wife would divorce me.


Q: Right.


Petraeus: And I love my wife.


Q: Tell her it’s a beautiful house.


Petraeus: We have a beautiful house. [Laughter] With his-and-her’s
bathrooms, believe it or not. I just want to live in it. I’ve never spent a
night in it.


Q: I know, that’s the happiest marriage . . .


Petraeus: Keep your mitts off my dressing room.


Q: My husband and I have had a very long and happy relationship because we
have completely separate bathrooms.


Petraeus: Isn’t that . . . I mean, that’s the ticket.


Q: It’s great.


[Recording ends]
 
And several members of MSNBC including Sharpton and Maddow as well as Huffington just this week met with the President to plan Progressive strategies. Big deal........
 
Corporations are the masters.... the media is their mouth piece. Fox tells lies outwardly while others just twist and spin. I don't see any lib-ruls on Fox but I see a facist or two on MSMBC. That fucking Morning Hoe er Joe is one of those birth/bitch defects. Either way until we the people get more control over our government corporations are running shit for now. Get over it and stick to talking about weed. At least that is real.
 
I can't believe it took 1 of the 2 reporters that brought Nixon down to prove that Foxnews is basically a republican super pac, but whatevs.
 
fox on one side and every other main media on the far other. nobody seems to be or wants to be just a news source or un-biased.
 
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