SOG vs. SCROG for better yield

Hypothetically speaking..
If someone were to grow in a 2x2x6 cabinet, DWC with a 400cmh and supplemental co2 which would produce a better yeild...8 plants in sog or 4 in scrog? side note: if scrog was used there would be an added 6 to 8 inch vertical screen attached to all 4 sides for an additional square foot of screen space.
Also, I asked a question in another threat with no response yet so if anyone knows if a hurricane glass (the kind from michaels) blocks any beneficial UV light?

Well you could do 36 single cola lollipops in a 3x3 with a 400... THAT would be your best yield...

But since you only mention 8... the screen might be the way to go... especially when you add in the VERT component...

Good Luck...!!!

I think this is apples and oranges. You have a lot of veg time with a ScroG, and little to none in SoG. Considering this, it's very hard to make a direct comparison. Whatever increased yield you experience from the better canopy management of scrog may be offset by the additional veg time between grows.

burninjay said:

I think this is apples and oranges. You have a lot of veg time with a ScroG, and little to none in SoG. Considering this, it's very hard to make a direct comparison. Whatever increased yield you experience from the better canopy management of scrog may be offset by the additional veg time between grows.

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Hypothetically speaking..
If someone were to scrog they'd veg in a separate cab under flueros and in sog you'd need a separate cab for a mom and probably the same amount of flueros. So if anyone wants to weigh in with their two cents feel free.
Probably the only thing I don't like about SOG is the amount of plans you need. The more plants = more paranoid. I'm kinda shit faced right now so I'll stop rambling.
Simply put...if you use half as many plants in a scrog setup that you would use for a sog could you yeild the same or more?

I think the lesson to be learned is that "yield" is just what component of what works best for you. And as said, to look at yield you have to project each alternative over a year, not a single grow. Plus, many growers care more about quality than yield, and others do it mainly for their own amusement. I also used to fret over whether I should grow lots of little plants or a few trees. I decided I should grow what I enjoy growing and what fits well in my space, and in the end, yield took care of itself.

tightpockt said:

Hypothetically speaking..
If someone were to scrog they'd veg in a separate cab under flueros and in sog you'd need a separate cab for a mom and probably the same amount of flueros. So if anyone wants to weigh in with their two cents feel free.
Probably the only thing I don't like about SOG is the amount of plans you need. The more plants = more paranoid. I'm kinda shit faced right now so I'll stop rambling.
Simply put...if you use half as many plants in a scrog setup that you would use for a sog could you yeild the same or more?

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not to mention more nutes/water intake/care for more plants but this is a 2 way street we are on! and as far as paranoia goes i think if you get popped with 30 plants instad of 40 isnt much of difference as far as sentencing!!! under 100 in my MidWest state stay under 100 and its a lighter sentence. over that and its bye bye for awhile!!

tightpockt said:

Hypothetically speaking.

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You really oughta have a chat with SomeGuy...clap:

If I had a 400 and a tight space, I would xerox his op, much like I copied Al B. Fuct...

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/192292-someguys-perpetual-parabolic-scrog-cabinet-48.html

SomeGuy said:

Alrighty... update time. Here we are start of week 9. They are on Final Phase at this point... almost ready for some chop chop... Probably next week at some point.
I have 3 god bud ready to go in when these are done and they are way bushier than when this set went into the cab for screen veg... REmember.. next time I am going vertical with the lamp and gonna grow the bottom and whole back and side walls of the cabinet.

Pictures:

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and this is his NEW GROW already starting...

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Illegal Smile said:

I think the lesson to be learned is that "yield" is just what component of what works best for you. And as said, to look at yield you have to project each alternative over a year, not a single grow. Plus, many growers care more about quality than yield, and others do it mainly for their own amusement. I also used to fret over whether I should grow lots of little plants or a few trees. I decided I should grow what I enjoy growing and what fits well in my space, and in the end, yield took care of itself.

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Don't get me wrong..the process absolutely fascinates me. I'm a DIY junkie! (I have a crazy idea for a peltier cooled tube)
I'm just a bit anal when it comes to efficiency. Quality and quantity are equally important to me. I kept going back and forth on seedbank vs. bag seed and I think bagsead on the first go around would probably be decent practice but I still want the best bang for my efforts.

tightpockt said:

Hypothetically speaking..
If someone were to scrog they'd veg in a separate cab under flueros and in sog you'd need a separate cab for a mom and probably the same amount of flueros. So if anyone wants to weigh in with their two cents feel free.

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You do not really move a SCROG.. and most people that do it, veg with HID as well as flowering... simply because it faster and more vigorous growth vs Fluoro.. or more efficient...

I feed 2400w of flower room with 200w of fluoros... (8 bulb 400w T-5 with only half the bulbs on)

That is less than 10% of the power in the flower room...

You got 400w to flower... even 100w of fluors would be weak for an "efficient" veg... where as you could "get away" with a few CFLs and have a few stretchy moms...

tightpockt said:

I'm just a bit anal when it comes to efficiency.

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Lots of small plants is more efficient... period.. but that is something YOU will have to live with...

I got paranoid last year.. 350+ plants in the house... most under 8"... but still... it kept up me sometimes...

Then I grew trees... and loved it.. except for the 1200w of veg I used.. knowing I could have used all 2400w...

If you want to squeeze max efficiency, go with high plant count zero veg SOG and make it a VERT... great yields that come with great commitment...

If veg time is no factor, and plant number is no factor, I think the same results could be achieved either way.
That awesome scrog pictured above could have been made of 18 small clones in a terraced SoG if it was intended that way.
The two techniques are really just slight variations of each other with the common goal being a controlled canopy.

I prefer scrog because I currently grow in boxes and it helps manage the canopy without having dozens of clones around. Where I live a plant is a plant whether it's 6 inches or 6 feet.