Starting seedlings out in coco - procedural question

mackdx

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After many seasons of growing outdoors, I finally encountered some rippers this season. This made me mad enough to finally decide to move indoors. After lots of reading, I have been convinced to give DTW in coco a shot. One thing that hasn't been discussed (that I have found) is the starting of seedlings and their subsequent transfer to coco/smartpots.

Presuming I am starting seeds using the damp paper towel method, I was planning on moving the sprouts to party cups for a period to build the root system before moving them to their permanent home in the smartpots. Maybe I am over thinking this, but I would appreciate a little insight as to what works for a medium in the solo cups and if that medium is coco, what do I need to watch out for.

Thanks!
 

Doer

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I'm on my second run with coco coir. Works great. It is not dirt. (everyone says that, so worth the reminder.)

Point 1 - It will not absorb water.

It can look wet, but it isn't really. I use CANNA, just because that is what they carry. It makes potting soil look rather coarse in comparison.

The particles cling water on, but not inside them. OK. That is the main point you will see. Doesn't hold water.

Point 2 - roots grow like crazy in it.

Point 3 - coir has a lot of salt - gotta rinse that out. Rule of thumb for me is at least 3 times the volume of RO water for rinse, before I can get the same PPM out as PPM in, for the rinse water

Point 4 - Coir seem to have an affinity for calcium salt. I've read this. I don't really understand that considering Point 1, but, I see it.

Point 5 - I need to support the Calcium or I see the lack

And I'm sure you know this all works gang busters for roots.

So, here is what I do.

- make solution I intend for the SOLO cup rooting. For clones I start at 90 ppm. ( Water is 70, so not much over)
- I am a reducer of concentrations. IOW, I get all the ingredients in there in proportion and then I set the PPM with dilution.

In there, I have my only plant food, I use throughout. 16-16-16 Sea Kelp based, Sea Grow. I add Cal/Mag and Silicon, to what the label says. It can be as strong as 450 ppm in peak bloom and I start with 90 ppm. Simple.

So, in coir you are hydroponics, still. It won't hold water. So, you have to get roots and then be set up to feed every day. When they get big, like 3 or 4 feet, they need 2 x a day feed. And pot must drain completely, each time.

But, for rooting it is different. The Mix, at 90 PPM is the last rinse of the coir and it will be wet. So, no holes in the SOLO cup. Make the roots follow it down to the bottom. I plant high in the cup, so there is room under.

Then what happens is after about a week, I see the top of coir, get bone dry looking. OK!!!! These roots are getting desperate now. But, another mm of growth gets more water to them....COOL.

Here is the first time through where I planted low in the cup, at 10 days.photo(1).jpgphoto 1(3).jpgphoto 4(2).jpg

First, is the, only Perlite, fail. Then coir after after 10 day and then in a 6" azalea pot and Crumble after just another week. Holy mole!

Crumble is a nick name for 50/50 coir and hydroton. Holds even less water.

I will start seeds soon and I imagine it will need a month to get to where I start with clones. But, even then I won't start seeds in a 16 oz SOLO cup. Start very small. Like 4 oz. It is widely known in Botany, that there is too much water in a large container for a small plant.

So, I will do 3 transplants for seeds, and only 2 for clones.

Hope this helps. Cheers!
 

ASMALLVOICE

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^^^^^I second that ,
I am using just 100% coco this round. The root growth is awesome as long as you treat it as an inert medium. Should make for a healthy root ball to help get it going for the outdoor journey.
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Peace and Great Grows

Asmallvoice
 

WattSaver

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The simplest way is to start in soil let the roots get set and transplant into coco. You won't have to worry about feeding while in the soil cup. I've done this for yrs and have seen no ill effects.
 

fir3dragon

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I've done clones right into coco after being cut and rooted, so I'm sure seeds wouldn't have a problem either.
 

mackdx

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Thanks for the advice folks. Looking forward to getting this coco show off the ground!
 
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