BioBuds
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Hi my homegrowing friends,
Thank you for visiting my growdiary. I always read the accounts of other grows here with much delight and thought I might contribute one myself after a surprising grow in a new setup, with a new soil recipe (which I'll share with you) and some experimenting with permaculture tea made from comfrey.
So without further delaying, this is the account of an accidental reveg / monstercrop with a grower that previously never heard of monstercropping.
I hope you can find helpfull things and learn from my mishaps and experiments in a new setup. If you also are growing Gelato 33 Fast or have a similar grow setup or you encounter accidental revegging and are forced to monstercrop while previously heaving never heard of this, welcome to this account of an adventure with plot twists and suspense.
Next to getting to know my grow setup, Im working with a new soil composition, a hybrid between coco and supersoil. Also were trying out our compost tea made from comfrey. So these are a lot of variables and stuff to potentially go wrong. Also with our soiltype it should correct itself, but my PH and PPm meters aren't in yet so I will start the grow with some guesswork on the feed, for the 1st four weeks we should be ok with the starting nutrients.
Techniques used:
Scrogging, LST, HST, supercropping, revegging, monstercropping, defoliation
The Setup:
My growspace is a Spiderfarmer 4.5 x 2 x 6.5 (140 x 70 x 200), not a standard width a little wider, which later gives me limited choices in growlights so we'll get to that later. I chose this because its fits the space I had available and my friend had experiences with a square tent, that its harder to reach the plants in the back.
Findings so far about the tent: I expected a little more quality from a tent in the higher range. Zippers are good, but my friends smaller rectangular tent from Secret Jardin has sidebars preventing the tent from sucking in and im losing about a foot of growspace in the center of the tent. So I will have to fix this before plants get bigger, so the tent so far litterally sucks.... Dont choose this option from Spider Farmer.
In this grow diary, which are the accounts of my first indoor grow in a new setup, I work with the Rubol V3 QBs 3 x 100 Watt in a selfmade frame. Since my space is rectangular and longer than the 1.20 m standard (1.40 (4.5 ft)), I chose to make a custom board. I was looking at others like the Mars Hydro SP 3000 but the light is a meter wide so left and right I would have 20 cm of less lighted space. I then ordered the lights: https://www.rubol.nl/product/rubol-samsung-lm301b-quantum-board-v3-cree-xp-e2-660nm730nm-330w-diy-kit/ and had an old storage cabinet which I used parts of to make a frame for the lights. It looks shabby but its sturdy and it works.
So far Im pleased with the lights. After first installing them I was very disappointed with the results, however after checking with Justin at Rubol I had made the mistake of not installing them in serial so the boards were getting a total of 100 Watts instead of 100 Watts per board from the driver. After hitting the switch it was as if the heavens had opened and shining down on me. Checking with the parmeters on my phone I was in the correct lux and PPF readings, for as far as phone apps go.
The Soil:
After following Mr Canuck on Youtube and his experiences with super soil and my own experiences with permaculture growing in the backyard and a fondness of organically grown weed, I had decided to formulate my own supersoil with what I had available. In Europe we don't have Fox Farms Ocean Soil or Gaia green supplements, so I faked it with my own mix and ended up with a hybrid mix that remains airy and light needs only a few amendmends later in the grow and the plants seem happy.
When I received the clones, they also took the the new soil instantly and instead of being stressed by the move by car, into new lights (formerly blurples) they exploded as you can see in the next weeks. Even though, as we later discovered, there was a catch with these clones...
Soil mix: 30 % cocopeat, 30% Bi Grow Biosoil by Atami and 30% worm castings. I had opted for less wormcastings however, there was no soil available except these bags so topped it off. It proved to be a happy little accident. I can seriously recommend this soilcombination to any starting grower, just add water the first 4 weeks (with right PH)
The Nutrients:
I had bought some BAC Biotablets to crush as topdress to replace the Gaia green amendmend Canuck was adding. Also we have our own comfrey compost tea in the garden, later in the diary I will make a small video of how to make it, or at least how I made it. Which although smelling horrible, works well with soil PH and surprising little smell in the tent. More like a full musky smell of Greenhouse and weed. Ive grown to love the smell of farming in the morning
So the crushed Biotabs are for when the soilmix I started with has lost its starting nutrients.
In the meantime I add some BAC Calmag to support the extra need for the LEDlight. I also add some extra mils of Green Sensation by plagron, just for the PK. I switch between Plagron and BAC for grow and bloom food. I also amend with some woodash during flower.
To conlude: I use topmax and sugarsirup during flowering to help develop budgrowth and terps.
The Genetics:
My friend @styliaga has been growing indoor for some time now and had had made me a clone from a cutting. These are Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds. These arent an option to choose, but I already chose the Gelato #33 as main strain for this diary.
With clones I could have a rolling start and skip the whole seedling stage. A shortcut that would have some implications.
So far they are forgiving plants even under harsh circumstances, ideal for beginners like me.
We're off on our little adventure.
The First Week
Thanks to a grower I know, who gave me three clones of Gelato 33 I have a rolling start, also some conditions not ideal: the clones were bit wet, also fungus gnats because of this. Bit crappy in new growroom. The clones are not of same age. But, who complains, with free clones?
I let them acclimatise for couple of days. Soil is mix of coco coir, worm castings and be grow bio grow mix, with some extra fishmix, has couple of weeks of organic food in them, see for specifics the intro in Germination stage.
Now im just watering with Plagron Root booster, Plagron Green Sensation and Calmag, I have some purple stems. I give them 1 liter per plant per 3 days, a little less for the smaller plants, a little more for the bigger. Later Im going to use homemade compost tea made with comfrey and nettle in combination with topdress with BAC Flowerbooster, BAC biotabs, supplemented with biobizz topmax. Big plant is already fimmed by previous owner on my request.
They also had flowers and the single petals of revegging problem. Turns out they had been in 16 hrs schedule and as smaller plants surrounded by bigger ones, had not had enough light and began flowering. All three plants had this.
Although all these inhereted problems, enough to make some strains give up, after the move, change of lights (from blurple), change of soil and change of food, I can clearly see the plants are stressed but they still give growth.
Hats of the strain but also the soil. Which has proven itself already and causing my friend to copy the recepy and see enourmous growth instantly. So we learned a lot already. Since I was planning to do a SOG or SCROG. I fimmed the smaller plants but now we shall have the prep the SOG for supercropping.
The Second week
Started stressing the older clone. Also because of space limitations and in an effort to let the other two catch up, I fimmed the other two. The older clone was already fimmed by he previous owner on my request.
I water the plants 1 liter for the smaller ones every 3 days. And one and a half for the big one every three days. Could go more but trying to keep the soil as dry as possible to get rid of fungus gnats.
I can already see the effects of the revegging as all plants are making single fingered new growth. My friend had kept them (for noise and sleeps next to it) on a 16 hour schedule. They didnt seem to like this and are now stressed.
Because I was late (the plants are now 19 days (the smaller ones) and almost 4 weeks (the bigger one), I decide to do HST to the bigger clone to et the smaller ones catch up(you can also see the clones are still flowering).
I will have to try to revert them to veg, because this is a fastflowering strain, maybe they'll never really fully reveg, and how am I ever going to make a leveled scrog out of this? Sigh... Seeds would have been fun....
Thank you for visiting my growdiary. I always read the accounts of other grows here with much delight and thought I might contribute one myself after a surprising grow in a new setup, with a new soil recipe (which I'll share with you) and some experimenting with permaculture tea made from comfrey.
So without further delaying, this is the account of an accidental reveg / monstercrop with a grower that previously never heard of monstercropping.
I hope you can find helpfull things and learn from my mishaps and experiments in a new setup. If you also are growing Gelato 33 Fast or have a similar grow setup or you encounter accidental revegging and are forced to monstercrop while previously heaving never heard of this, welcome to this account of an adventure with plot twists and suspense.
Next to getting to know my grow setup, Im working with a new soil composition, a hybrid between coco and supersoil. Also were trying out our compost tea made from comfrey. So these are a lot of variables and stuff to potentially go wrong. Also with our soiltype it should correct itself, but my PH and PPm meters aren't in yet so I will start the grow with some guesswork on the feed, for the 1st four weeks we should be ok with the starting nutrients.
Techniques used:
Scrogging, LST, HST, supercropping, revegging, monstercropping, defoliation
The Setup:
My growspace is a Spiderfarmer 4.5 x 2 x 6.5 (140 x 70 x 200), not a standard width a little wider, which later gives me limited choices in growlights so we'll get to that later. I chose this because its fits the space I had available and my friend had experiences with a square tent, that its harder to reach the plants in the back.
Findings so far about the tent: I expected a little more quality from a tent in the higher range. Zippers are good, but my friends smaller rectangular tent from Secret Jardin has sidebars preventing the tent from sucking in and im losing about a foot of growspace in the center of the tent. So I will have to fix this before plants get bigger, so the tent so far litterally sucks.... Dont choose this option from Spider Farmer.
In this grow diary, which are the accounts of my first indoor grow in a new setup, I work with the Rubol V3 QBs 3 x 100 Watt in a selfmade frame. Since my space is rectangular and longer than the 1.20 m standard (1.40 (4.5 ft)), I chose to make a custom board. I was looking at others like the Mars Hydro SP 3000 but the light is a meter wide so left and right I would have 20 cm of less lighted space. I then ordered the lights: https://www.rubol.nl/product/rubol-samsung-lm301b-quantum-board-v3-cree-xp-e2-660nm730nm-330w-diy-kit/ and had an old storage cabinet which I used parts of to make a frame for the lights. It looks shabby but its sturdy and it works.
So far Im pleased with the lights. After first installing them I was very disappointed with the results, however after checking with Justin at Rubol I had made the mistake of not installing them in serial so the boards were getting a total of 100 Watts instead of 100 Watts per board from the driver. After hitting the switch it was as if the heavens had opened and shining down on me. Checking with the parmeters on my phone I was in the correct lux and PPF readings, for as far as phone apps go.
The Soil:
After following Mr Canuck on Youtube and his experiences with super soil and my own experiences with permaculture growing in the backyard and a fondness of organically grown weed, I had decided to formulate my own supersoil with what I had available. In Europe we don't have Fox Farms Ocean Soil or Gaia green supplements, so I faked it with my own mix and ended up with a hybrid mix that remains airy and light needs only a few amendmends later in the grow and the plants seem happy.
When I received the clones, they also took the the new soil instantly and instead of being stressed by the move by car, into new lights (formerly blurples) they exploded as you can see in the next weeks. Even though, as we later discovered, there was a catch with these clones...
Soil mix: 30 % cocopeat, 30% Bi Grow Biosoil by Atami and 30% worm castings. I had opted for less wormcastings however, there was no soil available except these bags so topped it off. It proved to be a happy little accident. I can seriously recommend this soilcombination to any starting grower, just add water the first 4 weeks (with right PH)
The Nutrients:
I had bought some BAC Biotablets to crush as topdress to replace the Gaia green amendmend Canuck was adding. Also we have our own comfrey compost tea in the garden, later in the diary I will make a small video of how to make it, or at least how I made it. Which although smelling horrible, works well with soil PH and surprising little smell in the tent. More like a full musky smell of Greenhouse and weed. Ive grown to love the smell of farming in the morning
So the crushed Biotabs are for when the soilmix I started with has lost its starting nutrients.
In the meantime I add some BAC Calmag to support the extra need for the LEDlight. I also add some extra mils of Green Sensation by plagron, just for the PK. I switch between Plagron and BAC for grow and bloom food. I also amend with some woodash during flower.
To conlude: I use topmax and sugarsirup during flowering to help develop budgrowth and terps.
The Genetics:
My friend @styliaga has been growing indoor for some time now and had had made me a clone from a cutting. These are Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds. These arent an option to choose, but I already chose the Gelato #33 as main strain for this diary.
With clones I could have a rolling start and skip the whole seedling stage. A shortcut that would have some implications.
So far they are forgiving plants even under harsh circumstances, ideal for beginners like me.
We're off on our little adventure.
The First Week
Thanks to a grower I know, who gave me three clones of Gelato 33 I have a rolling start, also some conditions not ideal: the clones were bit wet, also fungus gnats because of this. Bit crappy in new growroom. The clones are not of same age. But, who complains, with free clones?
I let them acclimatise for couple of days. Soil is mix of coco coir, worm castings and be grow bio grow mix, with some extra fishmix, has couple of weeks of organic food in them, see for specifics the intro in Germination stage.
Now im just watering with Plagron Root booster, Plagron Green Sensation and Calmag, I have some purple stems. I give them 1 liter per plant per 3 days, a little less for the smaller plants, a little more for the bigger. Later Im going to use homemade compost tea made with comfrey and nettle in combination with topdress with BAC Flowerbooster, BAC biotabs, supplemented with biobizz topmax. Big plant is already fimmed by previous owner on my request.
They also had flowers and the single petals of revegging problem. Turns out they had been in 16 hrs schedule and as smaller plants surrounded by bigger ones, had not had enough light and began flowering. All three plants had this.
Although all these inhereted problems, enough to make some strains give up, after the move, change of lights (from blurple), change of soil and change of food, I can clearly see the plants are stressed but they still give growth.
Hats of the strain but also the soil. Which has proven itself already and causing my friend to copy the recepy and see enourmous growth instantly. So we learned a lot already. Since I was planning to do a SOG or SCROG. I fimmed the smaller plants but now we shall have the prep the SOG for supercropping.
The Second week
Started stressing the older clone. Also because of space limitations and in an effort to let the other two catch up, I fimmed the other two. The older clone was already fimmed by he previous owner on my request.
I water the plants 1 liter for the smaller ones every 3 days. And one and a half for the big one every three days. Could go more but trying to keep the soil as dry as possible to get rid of fungus gnats.
I can already see the effects of the revegging as all plants are making single fingered new growth. My friend had kept them (for noise and sleeps next to it) on a 16 hour schedule. They didnt seem to like this and are now stressed.
Because I was late (the plants are now 19 days (the smaller ones) and almost 4 weeks (the bigger one), I decide to do HST to the bigger clone to et the smaller ones catch up(you can also see the clones are still flowering).
I will have to try to revert them to veg, because this is a fastflowering strain, maybe they'll never really fully reveg, and how am I ever going to make a leveled scrog out of this? Sigh... Seeds would have been fun....
, should have waited few more weeks for revegging done. So wet on with defoliating, the left plant on the pictures I still have to do and trained budsites more sideways and some leaftucking, strategic defoliage on top.
