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CrocodileStunter

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Corporate taxation. You see, they don't pay taxes now. It's been demonstrated amply enough that cutting taxes doesn't improve the economy or increase employment.

Everyone needs to pay. If wage earners get taxed at 40%, millionaires and billionaires and megacorps can fucking well pony up.

You need an education in economics from someplace other than Faux Spews, bro. You've got the basic intelligence to understand how it really works, you just need to get past the aggressive disinformation campaign.
The vast majority of corporations pay taxes. 40% tax rate is absurd our government is robbing our citizens. I think a consumption tax of around 15% would be fair and that way nobody could skirt taxes. If you spend your money you get taxed if you save money it's not taxed.
 

Rob Roy

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The vast majority of corporations pay taxes. 40% tax rate is absurd our government is robbing our citizens. I think a consumption tax of around 15% would be fair and that way nobody could skirt taxes. If you spend your money you get taxed if you save money it's not taxed.

Actually if you "save" money it is taxed, but many people don't recognize it.

Every time more ahem "fiat money" is created the value of your saved money is lessened.


No government should be able to do anything to another person you or I can't do. If it can, it isn't "representing" anyone, it is owning them.
 

CrocodileStunter

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Actually if you "save" money it is taxed, but many people don't recognize it.

Every time more ahem "fiat money" is created the value of your saved money is lessened.


No government should be able to do anything to another person you or I can't do. If it can, it isn't "representing" anyone, it is owning them.
That's what I was trying to say. I don't agree that saved money should get taxed. I think if a consumption tax was in place that would force everyone to pay taxes across the board. dope dealers and illegals to ceo's would all pay taxes based on what they buy with our money.
 

bearkat42

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That's what I was trying to say. I don't agree that saved money should get taxed. I think if a consumption tax was in place that would force everyone to pay taxes across the board. dope dealers and illegals to ceo's would all pay taxes based on what they buy with our money.
The wealthy make the rules, man.

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Ace Yonder

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Woooooow!!! Only a liberal could believe that govt regulation against people and corporations is the govt serving the people. I just wanna know if you answered the corporation question with them making too much money, and if you answered the poverty question about them not having enough govt assistance? Where the fuck will the money for the hand out line come from?
Well, if corporations make too much money, they could be taxed more heavily, and that gives the government plenty of extra money to assist the poverty stricken. Two problems solved. It's not rocket science. The fact that taxes go down as you make more money is ridiculous and is the most pressing change that needs to be made. Taxes should be based on the real world effect they would have on the taxpayers quality of life, so poor people who taxes actually impact should pay much less than billionaires who will die long before they would actually be affected by higher tax rates. Even a flat tax would be better than the bullshit we have right now.
 

Ace Yonder

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No government should be able to do anything to another person you or I can't do. If it can, it isn't "representing" anyone, it is owning them.
That's the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time. The whole point of having government is to invest it with powers that you cannot trust to the average person. I do not want you to have any of the powers that government has. You also misunderstand what ownership and representation are.
 

Ace Yonder

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It says I'm a Solid Liberal, which tracks with other tests and general discussion.

Where www.politicalcompass.org placed me on their two axis chart;
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Ironically, Politicalcompass put me further left than the pew test did. After taking the test I really see what it is that I don't like about Politicalcompass and their metric. First, I have no idea how agreeing or disagreeing with questions like "Astrology accurately explains many things" helps place me on a political scale. Secondly, and more importantly, their scale of "left" and "right" is EXCLUSIVELY based on economics, and "libertarian" and "authoritarian" are EXCLUSIVELY based on social policies. This is not at all an accurate reflection of these political ideologies. Economics is NOT the primary factor determining left wing and right wing. The definition of left wing and right wing has to do with social equality (left wing means you believe in egalitarianism, right wing means you believe in social hierarchy), and encompasses MUCH more than economics. This is why they can list people in as strange places as they feel, because it has nothing to do with actual left or right, it just has to do with economics. They have literally made up their own nomenclature.

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
That's what I was trying to say. I don't agree that saved money should get taxed. I think if a consumption tax was in place that would force everyone to pay taxes across the board. dope dealers and illegals to ceo's would all pay taxes based on what they buy with our money.
Thanks for clarifying.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
That's the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time. The whole point of having government is to invest it with powers that you cannot trust to the average person. I do not want you to have any of the powers that government has. You also misunderstand what ownership and representation are.

You can't delegate a right you don't possess, neither can I.

No offense, but the idea I posited is both morally and mathematically correct.

Hey! I have an idea. Why don't you flounder around a bit and make bold erroneous assertions and then I'll prove you wrong?
 

Ace Yonder

Well-Known Member
You can't delegate a right you don't possess, neither can I.

No offense, but the idea I posited is both morally and mathematically correct.

Hey! I have an idea. Why don't you flounder around a bit and make bold erroneous assertions and then I'll prove you wrong?
Morally and mathematically correct? You can't do it, yet you are complaining that it's already been done? We as a group can decide what we as individuals can do and what we as a group can do, and those things can, and should, be different. We can create institutions that posses rights that we as individuals do not posses. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it can't be done. There is no higher law that somehow disallows or prevents this behavior.
 

Rob Roy

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Morally and mathematically correct? You can't do it, yet you are complaining that it's already been done? We as a group can decide what we as individuals can do and what we as a group can do, and those things can, and should, be different. We can create institutions that posses rights that we as individuals do not posses. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it can't be done. There is no higher law that somehow disallows or prevents this behavior.
Good, you're in the floundering around part now.

I'll check back in and destroy your arguments in a day or two.
 
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