Talus' First Coco/Hydro run with Walker Kush & Alaskan Lemon

infinitalus

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Alright, this run is gonna wrap up the end of my second year of legally growing medical marihuana. Last run was cut short with the 3 seeds each of Long Peaks Blue (Rare Dankness) and Pure Afghan (DNA Genetics) being males. With the modest help of a friend, I received a Walker Kush (Rare Dankness) teen and got one of the Alaskan Lemon (Lemon Cake x Alaskan Thunderfuck) cuts I gave out back. I wanna try that again with this technique. I think I can do it even better than I did last time.

I installed an RO unit to clean up the variances in my tap water so I can be sure I have clean water every time. My tap water reads 100-250ppm depending on the time/day. The unit is an ispring 5 stage filter with a UV lamp for a 6th stage. It takes it down to 0-10. I remember last year my town had e.coli contaminated water and black shit coming out of the tap. This went on for three days. I wont be having this again. For drinking, It is filtered again through a 5 stage countertop unit with alkalizing mineral stones at the bottom. Comes out of this at 40-50ppm, pH of 8.0-8.1, and tastes like excellent water without an after taste or dryness.

Im trying something new for this grow. This is my first run ever using hydroponics or coco and Im running them both. From what I seen on Ed Rosenthal's how-to on Coco (seen here: http://forum.grasscity.com/coco-coir/620656-askeds-coco-guide.html) it is the only medium that is a hybrid between hydro and soil. The perfect soil-less base.

I picked up some General Hydro blocks of coco coir from the local grow shop. I also bought a large bale of coarse perlite and some neoprene discs. I mixed up one of the blocks of coco with ~9 gallons of water. This made about 15 gallons (2 cuft) of coco base. I added 3 gallons (plus a scoop extra) of perlite. I added two cups of pelletized dolomite lime. I blended this all very well by hand in a well cleaned out tub. Effectively, the mix is 75%coco/25% perlite.

For nutes, I am using a long line of mixed and matching reputable brands. Pulling this table from my other thread:


  • 8ml/gal GH Flora Micro
    16ml/gal GH Flora Bloom
    5ml/gal Dynagro Protekt
    15ml/gal Botanicare Sweet Raw
    5ml/gal Botanicare Cal Mag
    2ml/gal GH Root Starter
    6ml/gal Azomite
    3ml/gal Humic Acid
    6ml/gal Fox Farm Microbe Brew​



Turns out this mix is really heavy on the PPMs. First tested at 1500. Still trying to water it down to around 500 for feeding. pHing it to maintain 5.8-6.0. Watering will be done with a 1/2" HP transfer pump. The 2x 55 gallon black reservoirs in my room have faucet spigots at the bottom with adapers for 3/4" garden hose which will be attatched there, then to the inlet of the pump. From the outlet is another 3/4" garden hose leading to a 26" watering wand with adjustable pressure valve. Perfect for getting the plants in the back without making a mess on the floor, or even worse, on the buds.

Note: once these nutes are gone, I will be switching to an all-organic mix using the Subcool Supersoil recipe where coco will be replacing the soil content. Depending on the results of that run with the supercoco will be the final determining factor between running coco and hydro for the rest of my days.

I have a DWC cloner from Supercloset called the Supercloner 50. It's a 50 site DWC cloner with dome and two air stones. It did not come with neoprene discs and it took a month to get here. The only reason why I got this cloner is because it is the only commercial cloner available that is completely light proof when all the discs are seated in the netpots - which effectively prevents algae and build up in the bottom reservoir. With a tiny digital hygrometer, it can effectively measure the humidity and temperature in the dome for me. Inside the dome is ~82F temp, 80-90% humidity. I also have a warming mat and digital thermostat for the mat. The mat is set to heat until the water is ~78F for optimal cloning conditions. When I am not cloning, the mat will be coming out. The bottom res has a 200ppm diluted nute solution of the above mix, pH'd to 5.7-5.8.

The ambient room for the growing areas is not sealed or co2 enriched. This will be in the future.

The veg / cloning area is a 4x4x6.5 tent being vented by a 6" 240cfm booster fan. The lights in the veg area is a 4ft 8 lamp T5 fixture with PAR lamps. This fixture is suspended using 1/8" metal internal rope ratchets. These things are the BEST things ever for having to change position of suspended equipment. The camera makes the lighting appear similar to LEDs, but it is actually spectrum specific aquarium lamps. Really good stuff for veg and clones - but only if the clones are far enough away from the light. They kick out a good bit of heat, canopy temps run around 84 and ambient is 78-80. There is a 6" air king fan clamped to the fixture blowing air across the lamp tubes for cooling. The plants get a nice breeze from it.

Seeds and clones will be put in Flora root plugs and put in the DWC cloner and covered with the dome. The clones are cut at a 45 degree angle and some of the fiber at the bottom 1/2" is peeled away with the sharp edge of the Fiskar's Micro trimmers, dipped in Clonex gel, put into the cube, then into the netpot in the cloner until they are about 1' tall. When they hit 10-12", they will be transplanted to the coco mix and vegged for one more week. Then the cloner gets cleaned and scrubbed for its next use.

The flower tent is where the magic really happens. It is a 4x8x6.5 tent, with 1 plant every 4sqft for a total of 8 plants, 4 in each 4x4 area. An 800 CFM centrifugal inline fan is pulling air through a carbon filter. The ducting is insulated duct, R-7 I think, and is ran out of the tent towards a Y flange connector. The lighting is 2x 1000w Hortilux Super HPS lamps, with 2 ReptiGlo 10.0 UV CFL lamps for boosters. These UV lamps run 1/2 of the 12/12 light cycle. 3 hours in, the UV lamps turn on for 6 hours. Then they turn off for the remaining 3 hours. One of the reflectors for the HPS lamps is a 6" Yieldmaster, the other is a 6" Sunleaves xtrasun. They seem to work about the same. I would like to get a hinged XXL reflector, but for now thats out of the budget. There are two 6" booster fans pulling air through the reflectors, out of the tent, and into the Y flange connector. The other end of the Y flange has a 12"x4" register duct, and is being pushed into the intake of the central air unit for the house. Most of the connections are using duct clamps. I dont feel any leaks at any of the connections, so all is well. There are two pedestal fans being suspended by the tent's support bars in the middle: one of the fans blowing to the left side's canopy, and the other to the right side's canopy. With the bottom tent flaps open, the 800CFM fan literally sucks the tent in for a heavy negative pressure. The under growth gets good air flow while the top gets a nice breeze.

The plants are going to be scrogged and trained under the screen just before they go into flower. Once they start hitting 12"-16", even in soil, growth really takes off in veg. I find that a slow transfer to flower is best. I leave the HPS lamp up a bit farther when pulling from the veg room. When my light intensity readers says "Normal+" is when I level it off for 5-6 days. After 5-6 days, I drop the light until the intensity reader says "High+" and keep training the plants until the canopy is full, all the while clearing undergrowth over time instead of all at once. I do it like this because there is still a somewhat natural feel to the light change and not cutting all undergrowth out at once to prevent over stressing the plant. I find that the fans do a pretty good job of keeping the lamps cool enough for the plants to be 15-17" away, but some strains get light bleached and I think I will have to watch for that here since Walker Kush is an unknown strain to me.

For now: I just transplanted the Walkers Kush which was also originally in coco/perlite into my mix. The Alaskan Lemon was in hydroton so I flipped it over, dumped it out, and dropped it right into some damp mix and buried it quickly. The cloner is all set up and has 16Tombstone seeds (phx origins, F2, Purple Kush x Tucson Haze.. aiming for Kush pheno) germinating in those root plugs. The flower room is ready to go, the only thing left to do for now is maintain.

Current plan: Let the Walker Kush and Alaskan Lemon keep vegging and get over the transplant into coco until the seeds that were planted in the DWC cloner are about 3" tall. Then take cuts of the Walker kush. Alaskan lemon is on the back burner for now, but will be keeping the genetic since it is only taking up one plant. I can take a good cut, wait to make sure it has rooted, then get rid of the mother and start over for next run. The Alaskan lemon can grow from the new cut while the tombstone is finishing flowering, dried, and smoke tested. Whatever females are had can be cloned and will keep the best pheno after testing. With 16 seeds, I am bound to see a good pheno.

This grow goes to honor my buddy House, who was lost to non-hodgekins lymphoma. Cheers dude

Pics:
Veg Tent:








Rez between / behind the two tents. I only keep them 1/2 full or less. I dont want too much weight in one area. The tubing is for RO water coming out of the faucet.





Flower room ready to go:



Can fan:



HVAC solutions:

 
Feel free to chime in with comments or questions. Im really looking to nail this grow down so all constructive input is welcome.

The plants transplanted to coco have already responded well and are reaching for the light. Nice recovery time :)

I noticed that the Y flange had an exposed piece of the insulation. I tucked this in and taped it off.
 
I mixed up two more 5kg blocks of coco today. Cleanup and overhaul of the work space in the garden room is the following day or two. There is now 55-60 gallons of premixed coco, and with 8x 7 gallon smart pots required for the flower tent, seems like a perfect mix amount.

Tombstone seedlings are not yet showing, but the environment is pretty stable in there.

My pump came today and after reading the manual, I was setting up the hardware and noticed I needed a 3/4"F - 3/4"F NFT double female connector for a garden hose connection. I wrapped plumbers PTFE tape around the fittings a few times, and it seems like I just cant get that female connector to stop leaking. Gonna take it back to the hardware store and see if it was supposed to come with o-rings or an inner gasket. It wasnt leaking real bad, just a steady drip, but it caused a lot of fluctuation and air bubbles in the pump.

I tested the pump on my two mother plants that needed watering. Seems as if I have between a full day and 36-40 hours to water, after 48 the Walker Kush started to droop a little. This will be good to know for later when the plants will be sucking down water in flowering.

Ill swing in again after cleanup
 
Looks like the tombstone seeds rot through because the net pots were just barely touching the water. Im not too worried about it, this was just a side project that I can dismiss early and focus on the real matter at hand. The flower room has been sitting empty for too long, I will be taking cuts on wednesday. The walker kush is ready, alaskan lemon is close but I am thinking about just culling that plant and turning it into a bunch of clones.

Pics up after its all done
 
I ended up getting rid of the tombstone. There were some taproots that sprouted but they all looked janky and rotted so I dumped them.

I took cuts from the WK and the AL.. could only get 4 cuts from the AL and they were tiny. I really hope the AL's take, otherwise filling the scrog screen will take a little longer on that side of the tent I think.

Rather than getting a 6ft tall WK mother plant, I threw the 2.5' lady into the flower tent where the timer is currently set to 18/6. I will veg her out in there until the scrog screen is mostly full.. then its flower time! I can keep training until the rest of the screen is full for 10-14 days. My goal for this single plant is 1.25lb dried or better.

Depending on how the cuts do will determine what I do with the other 4'x4' section of scrog screen. If the AL cuts root well, Ill veg them out and put them under the screen. If not, the WK will be trained under the screen instead. The WK cuts are definitely larger, and I trimmed up a bunch of the leaves so they wouldnt be trying to spend so much energy on photosynthesizing. They seem to droop quickly. I will have to spray multiple times a day.. but I guess if thats what I gotta do.

Pics up when roots are coming in for the DWC cloner.
 
Ive been keeping an eye on the runoff from the WK that is vegging under the scrog screen. It started at 7.8pH and I have been leeching it RO water pHd at 5.5-5.8. When the water started coming out much clearer, I tested the pH and it came out as 7.0. I then added 3 gallons nutrient solution to get the ppm back to around 500. While the ppm is close to 500, the pH still reads 7.0 .. strange.

No matter what I try, the pH has settled on 7.0 . I went over this with a few other coco nerds, and none of us could figure it out.. until I started thinking about the base mix. Yeah, theres coco coir and perlite.. but I went with Ask Ed.'s guide and added some granulated dolomite lime. This must be it.

To make up for the difference, I spiked the last 1.5 gallons of solution that went in there. The pH read 3.8. I will bring down that goddamn pH one way or another.

Well, time for some good news. Good news is the clones are just starting to show roots. I have two alaskan lemon clones rooted, and the tallest of the walker kush cuts is rooted. The rest are taking time, but I can pick all of them up by the base of the stem and they dont come out. I dont tug them, but I believe the roots are starting at the very least.

So, if the dolomite lime continues to be an issue with this plant, even after spiking the pH, then it will unfortunately get dumped. The coco that is already mixed up will need to be diluted. I still have 2 blocks of GH coco on hand, so I can mix a fresh one up in the tub, and add one of the buckets of the coco thats already mixed to dilute the amount of dolomite lime that is in there.

I have atleast a week or two to see how it plays out, so we will take it as it goes.

 
After checking the pH (again) it still came out 7.0 .

Ive been thinking a little more. Instead of dumping the plant because the pH will seemingly always read 7.0, I will instead take out the coco that its planted in and mix it with a fresh batch of coco without any extra added lime. Then replant it. At best, it will recover. At worst, it will still have to be dumped.

I need to pick up a large outdoor trash barrel tonight, and Ill store the remainder of the mix in the barrel.
 
I checked the run off last night and the pH read 3.0 . Weird. The plant is not yellowing anymore and is bringing the green back, but I noticed that the leaves are cupping a little. I gave it a gallon of 5.8 nute solution and Ill continue keeping an eye on it.
 
Checked right before lights off. She is definitely making a turn around, and had MAJOR growth after a feeding this morning. If this keeps up, the screen will be full by the end of the week.

Ill feed her again tomorrow until there is some run off that I can check and measure for pH.

Pic:

 
Plant is looking great, as if it never happened. Run off is reading 5.5. All is well in there. I set the timer for 12/12 starting tomorrow.. I figure that there is about 10-14 more days of training the plant until the screen is full. At that point, the plant can stretch as much as it wants. Growth is vigorous and rapid.

Almost all of the cuts have roots. I think only one of the walker kush cuts isnt showing. All of the alaskan lemon cuts rooted first and are strong thriving. Them roots just need to hit the nutes at the bottom :)
 
Runoff read 6.5 today. Looks like Ill need to drop the nute solution a few more tenth's of a point, so I added 10mL of pH down and Im letting the airstone mix it up for a while before measuring pH.

Nute solution rez is almost empty. Im going to need to make another batch and my RO unit is on the fritz because of a membrane issue that Im trying to resolve with the manufacturing company now. I have a good 20-30 gallons of RO water stored, but its the last of my reserves until this is fixed.

All of the cuts in the cloner have roots except for one walker kush cut. The root plug I put the cut into has developed what appears to be green mold (trichoderma I believe) and has poor root development after almost two weeks. I tossed this cut. I noticed that some of the root tips are starting to touch the nute solution on the bottom. Where they touch, there is root rot. I think I will scrub this cloner and instead of refilling it, Ill just plant the cuts in coco.
 
Runoff was reading 6.5 still but the nute solution reads 4.7. The plant appears to be happy so Ill let it be for now and see if it needs adjusting.

All rooted clones have been planted in 1 gallon square pots. Once they get to be about 16" tall, they will be transplanted into 7 gallon smart pots and put into the flower tent for training.

After troubleshooting with the manufacturer of the RO unit, they said the automatic shutoff valve (the manifold that a bunch of the tubing hooks up to) is faulty and a replacement should be here wednesday. Really disappointing that an RO component is faulty less than 2 months after installation.. but atleast the manufacturer worked with me quickly and a replacement will be here ASAP.

Pic update:



 
Switched out the automatic shutoff valve, everything appears to be functional. Pumped 30 gallons into the RO water holding tank last night.

Emptied, then refilled the nutrient tank with about 30 gallons of fresh RO water today. pH buffered to 5.0 to counter the aggressive pH neutralizing dolomite lime in my medium. Followed my original formula at about half strength. Nutrient ppm reads 750.

Today is day 10 of flower, pistils are all over the place for the Walker Kush. Over the past few days, Ive been clearing away the undergrowth and anything that doesnt get light. I thinned out the canopy a little by training the branches in less populated sections or removal if the branch had no where else to go. The middle of the screen appears empty, but the growth of the branches that are now growing into the middle section of the screen is ridiculously fast. I will not be training her under the screen any more, I will let her stretch and remove any undergrowth as needed. I will not be getting little balls of fluff from this plant.

The Alaskan Lemon and WK cuts have taken root and are slowly developing into healthy little plants. New growth has been documented on all cuts and as they get older I can trim off the leaves that didn't do so well.

Pics:





 
I noticed a little more yellowing today after leeching from yesterday. pH reads 6.0 on runoff, a little high, but not enough to really cause lockout.

I emptied the remainder of the nutrient tank and refilled it partially with RO water. I added the protekt, then continued to fill untl about half way, then added the remaining nutrients and a splash of pH down. After mixing, ppm reads 1000 even, 1.9EC, 5.7pH. Perfect!

Fed her with the new batch, Ill keep an eye on her and see how she fares.
 
Day 25

The yellowing hasnt gotten worse, but it hasnt gotten better either. The stretch seems to be slowing down, the canopy is full, and I am currently refraining from defoilation to see if the middle of the screen stretches any further.

I fed her again today, checking the runoff pH is 6.3. The dolomite lime is less active after heavy leeching but active all the same. Im gonna drop the nutrient solution pH to 5.2-5.3 and see how the runoff fares after that.

It appears to be a calyx explosion, trich heads are starting to form and the stink is starting to surface. =)
 
Day 27

Checked the pH of the nutrient mix and its reading 6.9 . WTF!? I guess the protekt takes longer to finish buffering than I thought. Mixed in some pH down and it dropped all the way to 4.5. I decided not to do anything with it just yet. Im gonna run this mix through the vegging plants and keep an eye on the runoff. I want to see if the new coco mix with much less lime will not be so alkaline buffering.

Runoff of the walker kush reads 6.2, on the little ones reads 6.0.

Pic of walker kush:

 
Day 29

Everything is going well. The stretch has completely stopped with the walker kush, everything has been defoliated as much as its going to be. Should be looking at some very beautiful fat colas around harvest.

I got a close up today right before they woke up, check it out

 
Day 30

Today I transplanted the Alaskan lemons into the 7 gallon containers and put them in the other side of the flower tent. They arent as big as I would like them to be, but from what I remember they stretch quite a bit. I dropped the screen and the light a little bit, the light is 25" away for the plants to get used to it.

Walker kush is happy and healthy, chuggin away.

*whistles a happy tune*
 
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