The aeroponic vegetator, increase your yield/year now!

I will keep the 5 pages of story telling for myself and I'm going to be short and to the subject.

I created an aeroponic system that allows you to grow your plants for their first few weeks and then move them unharmed and with no shock to any other aeroponic system or to any other medium you prefer.
This way you can grow your clones(or seeds) for the first weeks of their life in a small space using only one light and then being able to transplant them into a bigger “production” system.
Running the vegetating system in parallel with your main crop allows you to prepare the next crop. So by the time you will be cutting the colas, your next crop is already a few weeks old. That means that each crop takes a lot less time to grow. This is simple math and will use a graphic to explain(credits go to my gf for photoshopping skills).

This graphic represents my setup, before the vegetating system and after it:
*strain used: Critical from Royal Queen Seeds, selected mother.(flowering time is 49-50 days, low height)

The outcome is obvious, instead of using the Aeroflo 60 for the entire flower cycle of 49-50 days I ended up using it for 28-29 days. So instead of getting 7.42 cycles/year I got 13 cycles/year. That is 75% more cycles per year. So no matter how much you are able to get out of your aeroponic system now, adding the vegetating system to your setup will increase your output by a lot, in my case 75%. This is no bs, you don't have to add a magical nutrient to your tank, you don't use special air shipped from the purest mountains and nothing like that, you simply get more crops/year.

Technical details:

Low Pressure Aeroponics
120cm x 120cm x 50cm
64 x 3” netpots
40L water tank
1 x 30-50W water pump

I can't show you whats inside it, the technological details are patent pending so I don't want any big corporation to lay its paws on it. However I will show you some pics/videos with it:


The idea is that now we have the possibility to keep the roots separated in a pure aeroponic setup. I know some of you don't use SCROG or SOG, people use their bubble buckets for example and they don't need to vegetate 64 plants in a square meter for 3-4 weeks, this system can be created to support 16-24 plants in one square meter for a longer period of time, 5-6 weeks or more.

A site will be up soon and with your help I will be able to show a lot of great feedback to retailers everywhere.

Please post your questions, requests, thoughts I would be most grateful to answer.

Yes.... What your doing is called growing. We all do it. This is nothing new. Its called a perpetual grow. Your just moving netpots. . . . . . .

so you can do that already? please show me your aeroponic system in which you can grow your plants with separated roots. you can't just MOVE netpots ) when your roots get long(like, after 1 week) they all get tangled and you can only MOVE them if you tear the roots. I'm not trying to say I invented perpetual growing, I invented a system that can keep your plants in a tight space while each plant has its roots in a special chamber, so when your plant gets to have large roots you can still just pick it up and move it unharmed into any other system.

Have you tried flowering directly from rooted cuts?No veg? In them aeroflow's. I've never personally even seen them in action, but I've been building tubes very similar to them for many years. Way before GH invented them. Some of us in the bay area think it is our design they are using. Not kidding. Anyways, I was THE tube builder, And experimented allot. I sware to god, if I/we vegged for more than a few days, they would be too big. Our holes were usually 11" OC.

I always liked the idea of not having risers in the tubes, in the flower room. I mean, we're talking allot of nute solution while risers are in, and it's DWC ish. I've built shit that would drop the roots while in veg. I would then put them into tubes in flower and they ended up too big.

Pretty efficient without any veg in the first place. But some of us would slam some of the tubes in the room very close, than spread them out as needed. But we were rocking 6" round, and I always kept them strapped down. So moving them around didn't work for me

Oh yeah!
From a rooted cut, in an oasis cube, in a 3" net basket, just put into the tubes, It would take roughly 4 days, and the risers come out. How long does it take them tubes to drop the roots?

Tweedle dee wow your roots don't tangle. Sir, again. Your growing weed. Its what we all do. Your just empowered by the fact you moved your net cups before the roots tangled. Again. Good job at doing what everyone here does all the time.

pickpocket33 said:

Tweedle dee wow your roots don't tangle. Sir, again. Your growing weed. Its what we all do. Your just empowered by the fact you moved your net cups before the roots tangled. Again. Good job at doing what everyone here does all the time.

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I'm sorry if I didn't make my self clear. I don't claim to have invented a procedure, just the means.
I am not moving the netpots before the roots get tangled, that would only take a few days and that would mean nothing. You don't have the patience to read my text yet you jump to very precise conclusions.
I invented an aparratus THAT KEEPS THE ROOTS SEPARATED, in other words: each clone has it's own special place to live amongst others while keeping their roots private. With this thing you can actually keep the plants there for more than a few days before the roots get tangled, because they do not meet in the first place to get tangled.

And for Aeroknow:
My graph is not explicit enough and I apologize for that. I am not vegging anything since they would get huge and overwhelm the poor aeroflo and myself. I am cutting the clones, rooting them, move them into this "vegetating system" (the name is bad for what I do) where I start flowering directly for 21 days, then I move all of them into the aeroflo60 where they continue to grow and stretch for another 28 days. Adding to a total of 49 days of flowering. The thing is: in the day I'm harvesting the aeroflo I am moving 60 plants which have 21 days of flowering already, allowing me to use the 3 square meters and 3000W of hps lights for 28 days at a time, so running 2 crops in parallel, both on flowering, first stage in the (bad name) Vegetator, second stage in the Aeroflo.
In the graph I didn't write "flowering" into the vegetating system area. I apologize.
And to answer your question, if I get it right: about 80-90% root after 5-7 days, but by the end of the 14th day even the most puny ones root.

I also like to live dangerously ) and I noticed right away the aeroflo is a ripoff, I modified it the second day it arrived. Now I only use systems I build my self since no company on the market designs their aero systems to meet our demands.

Glad to meet passionate people like you sir!

baxiliniu said:

I'm sorry if I didn't make my self clear. I don't claim to have invented a procedure, just the means.
I am not moving the netpots before the roots get tangled, that would only take a few days and that would mean nothing. You don't have the patience to read my text yet you jump to very precise conclusions.
I invented an aparratus THAT KEEPS THE ROOTS SEPARATED, in other words: each clone has it's own special place to live amongst others while keeping their roots private. With this thing you can actually keep the plants there for more than a few days before the roots get tangled, because they do not meet in the first place to get tangled.

And for Aeroknow:
My graph is not explicit enough and I apologize for that. I am not vegging anything since they would get huge and overwhelm the poor aeroflo and myself. I am cutting the clones, rooting them, move them into this "vegetating system" (the name is bad for what I do) where I start flowering directly for 21 days, then I move all of them into the aeroflo60 where they continue to grow and stretch for another 28 days. Adding to a total of 49 days of flowering. The thing is: in the day I'm harvesting the aeroflo I am moving 60 plants which have 21 days of flowering already, allowing me to use the 3 square meters and 3000W of hps lights for 28 days at a time, so running 2 crops in parallel, both on flowering, first stage in the (bad name) Vegetator, second stage in the Aeroflo.
In the graph I didn't write "flowering" into the vegetating system area. I apologize.
And to answer your question, if I get it right: about 80-90% root after 5-7 days, but by the end of the 14th day even the most puny ones root.

I also like to live dangerously ) and I noticed right away the aeroflo is a ripoff, I modified it the second day it arrived. Now I only use systems I build my self since no company on the market designs their aero systems to meet our demands.

Glad to meet passionate people like you sir!

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Dude! Keep on, keeping on !
There is so much more room for efficiency, even in a kick-ass/semi-aero(questionable)setup such as yours. I mean, plants don't take up much space when they're small right? Hence, why perpetual is a given!

I like your style! Peace

Btw, my tube design(yes, i came up with it out of the blue, but understand other people could have been onto the same thing before and after me 23 yrs ago) has this going for it, that might be different:

Half inch pvc spray bar with holes just big enough for a metal coat hanger to clear potential plugs, in between each netpot hole-11" OC

350-400(400 being better) gph of pump/per 8.5' length of tube. Very important. Just as the angle of the piss stream is, pissing towards the nutrient solution at the "no riser level".

And run that fucker 24/7, even if you need to run a chiller.

Again. Your GROWING WEED. But if added spacing, and tangled roots is your archilles heel then ok. Again, good luck. growing. weed. like. everyone. else.

I suppose if I had shown you the first aeroponic system in the world you would have said the same thing, since growing weed in soil is the same as growing weed in aeroponics. no matter what, you would say the same thing, its growing weed. doesn't matter its faster or has a bigger yield, it's growing weed so it's the same.

Keeping roots isolated is a nice touch if you need to move plants around. From a design, maintenance and durability perspective I'd be keen to see what materials you are using for the chambers.

However to run perpetual without the need to move plants you simply use enough independent systems to harvest on a given schedule scaled as necessary. 4 systems for an 8 week strain, harvesting every 2 weeks or 3 systems for a 9 week strain harvesting every 3 weeks are common scheds. KISS.

you are not correct, but close enough. congrats.

This:

baxiliniu said:

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looks pretty damn good.

Roots getting entangled is an issue for me because I want to grow more plants and be able to select out more of them. From reg seed, so remove males and the lesser females. The roots getting entangled by the time they are sexed, requires me to sex regular seed before moving them to my tubes setup.

Anyway, cool story, not so useful without the details. Let us know when you can show the inner working so we can make a diy knockoff.

Sativied: I will post pics and drawings in the day I have the patent ready dude

I don't mean to bust your big secret..but it looks to me as though you're just using a fabric pot inside the chamber. Just make sure you flush the system so that your fabric doesn't get nutrient build up and cause lock out a couple cycles down the line.

Send me a system. I'll try it out and create a journal here for all to witness.

Well I know I'm intrigued lol. Would be nice to have something that kept roots contained and still promoted healthy roots. If its cheap and I dont need to change my setup it would be a huge bonus.

Oh and fyi I would never copy a patented product and use it so yup post the pics ...........

BUMP!

baxiliniu said:

Sativied: I will post pics and drawings in the day I have the patent ready dude

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Been a while dude, any progress, got anything to show/share?

LurchLurkin said:

I don't mean to bust your big secret..but it looks to me as though you're just using a fabric pot inside the chamber. Just make sure you flush the system so that your fabric doesn't get nutrient build up and cause lock out a couple cycles down the line.

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Could it be that simple... If I were to put fabric pots in tubes/trays it would get soaked for sure but the flow of nutrient solution would largely go around it, take the route of least resistance. A steel mesh cup would work but seems a little pricey for so many holes.