nomoresnow
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Everything I read says you need absolute darkness in your grow room which is fine but I can't stop wondering about nature and the moon.
Please enlightnen me, pun intended.
Please enlightnen me, pun intended.
The importance of darkness
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xSwimToTheMoon
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If you're saying it's not dark at night in nature, then that's not true.
Final Phase
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I call it extremism ... Some feel things have to be "perfect" in order to grow good herb... My daughter's old boyfriend once told me I was supposed to use a new razor blade for each clone that is cut! That was a bunch of crap! I use the same old razor blade for about 3 months - the only thing I do to is scrape the blade on each side to sharpen it up a little.
Nature gives you full moons... lightning...
I try to keep it as dark as possible - I have gotten a hermie one time from a light leak behind a big plant that I didn't know about.
Nature gives you full moons... lightning...
I try to keep it as dark as possible - I have gotten a hermie one time from a light leak behind a big plant that I didn't know about.
qwizoking
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I call it moronicness.
Same people flush weed, and leave tap out to dechlorinate, and throw their bud in a jar once it drops to 60%rh or so
When you look at how a plant works...rarely ever done.
Youll see that basically light affects hormones etc, for example (co) protein that initiates flowering is only stable in light.
Another....
light inhibits the activity of PINOID kinase, which then promotes the activity ofPIN3. This activation leads to asymmetric distribution of auxins, which then lead to asymmetric elongation of cells in the stem..basically how plants follow the sun
Now then
You dont have to have an unnecessary fear of light. how much light does it take to have an effect on the plant? You need about 2000 lumens to maintain photosynthesis, about 40 lumens will stop flowering (at the low end)... i routinely turn ceiling lights on at "night" to tend to my plants with no detrimental affects. The little amount of light on an extension cord is nothing either.
Now flowering hormones build up again every "night" you can even leave a flowering plant in full 24/0 for 2 days with no effect and go back to flower the next night . Bad genetics herm from stress. They will do fine next to a street light..etc use your imagination
My grows are certainly not completely dark
Same people flush weed, and leave tap out to dechlorinate, and throw their bud in a jar once it drops to 60%rh or so
When you look at how a plant works...rarely ever done.
Youll see that basically light affects hormones etc, for example (co) protein that initiates flowering is only stable in light.
Another....
light inhibits the activity of PINOID kinase, which then promotes the activity ofPIN3. This activation leads to asymmetric distribution of auxins, which then lead to asymmetric elongation of cells in the stem..basically how plants follow the sun
Now then
You dont have to have an unnecessary fear of light. how much light does it take to have an effect on the plant? You need about 2000 lumens to maintain photosynthesis, about 40 lumens will stop flowering (at the low end)... i routinely turn ceiling lights on at "night" to tend to my plants with no detrimental affects. The little amount of light on an extension cord is nothing either.
Now flowering hormones build up again every "night" you can even leave a flowering plant in full 24/0 for 2 days with no effect and go back to flower the next night . Bad genetics herm from stress. They will do fine next to a street light..etc use your imagination
My grows are certainly not completely dark
guod
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Pureblood89
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Most plants can handle light slightly more powerful than the full moon without revegging, but it will definitely slow down flowering.
nomoresnow
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Sometimes it's super dark and sometimes the moon is so brite it lights up my bedroom. Just wonderin.
Thanks for the input peeps.
240sxing
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Wondered that same question many times.
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"The intensity of moonlight varies greatly depending on the lunar cycle but even the full moon typically provides only about 0.1 lux illumination. When the moon is viewed at high altitude at tropical latitudes, the illuminance can reach 0.26 lux.[2] The full moon is about 1,000,000 times fainter than the Sun.
The color of moonlight, particularly near full moon, appears bluish to the human eye compared to most artificial light sources. This is because of the Purkinje effect - the light is not actually tinted blue, and although moonlight is often referred to as "silvery" it has no inherent silvery quality. The Moon's albedo is 0.136,[3] meaning only 13.6% of sunlight incident on the Moon is reflected. Moonlight generally hampers astronomical viewing, so astronomers usually avoid making observations near full moon."
Edit: Remember the moon doesnt glow its being backlit by the sun.
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"The intensity of moonlight varies greatly depending on the lunar cycle but even the full moon typically provides only about 0.1 lux illumination. When the moon is viewed at high altitude at tropical latitudes, the illuminance can reach 0.26 lux.[2] The full moon is about 1,000,000 times fainter than the Sun.
The color of moonlight, particularly near full moon, appears bluish to the human eye compared to most artificial light sources. This is because of the Purkinje effect - the light is not actually tinted blue, and although moonlight is often referred to as "silvery" it has no inherent silvery quality. The Moon's albedo is 0.136,[3] meaning only 13.6% of sunlight incident on the Moon is reflected. Moonlight generally hampers astronomical viewing, so astronomers usually avoid making observations near full moon."
Edit: Remember the moon doesnt glow its being backlit by the sun.
guod
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Lol.
I love these sections.
Short-day plants flower when the night lengths exceed their critical photoperiod.[7] They cannot flower under short nights or if a pulse of artificial light is shone on the plant for several minutes during the night; they require a continuous period of darkness before floral development can begin. Natural nighttime light, such as moonlight or lightning, is not of sufficient brightness or duration to interrupt flowering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoperiodism
I love these sections.
Short-day plants flower when the night lengths exceed their critical photoperiod.[7] They cannot flower under short nights or if a pulse of artificial light is shone on the plant for several minutes during the night; they require a continuous period of darkness before floral development can begin. Natural nighttime light, such as moonlight or lightning, is not of sufficient brightness or duration to interrupt flowering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoperiodism
ebcrew
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I was standing outside the other night and it was bright as fuck, could see everything... i wondered the same question.. thanks for clearing that up
listmann
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Dood :-O you are mentioning some REALLY important steps that are bordering on stupidity not to go through!
If there is chlorine in your water (check with municipal water supply) ofcourse you let it Evap. I mean your girls may sirvive but we WANT them to thrive to get the best/the most weed possible
And flushing! So you're just smoking nitrate and potash :-/ well you do that i'll stick to my flush...
Curing: you just spent three months carlng for your babies, least you could do is take the time to cure for atleast 14 days :-/ If you know just a LITLLE about the chemistry goin on in the plant during curing, you wouldn't skip that part. More ingredients will break down to active ingredients such as CBD, And cbd-a and B first off.
But most importantly about the curing is the WAST amounts of unhelthy elements beeing releases during prolonged curing. After curing yes you put the buds in glass jars to preserve terpenes. This is because glass jars are hermeticly sealed.
Ever wonder why your tobacco and ALOT of other products is sealed? It actually says why on alot of these products... "Sealed to preserve taste and freshness"
You call these steps moronicness i call them neccesitys
About your Razor: you could easily use the same razor without running the risk of infections, rubbing alcohol is our friend
don't use it at you WILL run an increased risk of infections (obviously) but its like, doctors say we should all wash our hands all the time to avoid getting sick but i don't and i never get sick... That does NOT however mean that the doctors are lying, i AM infact increasing my and others chance of ctaching a disease by not washing my hands and you ARE increasing you risk of infection by using a non sterile "skalpel" Lastly, there is the light:
True they do experience some light in nature from the moon and lightning. TheBut these are all "disturbing" factors to the plants dark cycle, just as it it in animals. I know a bright lightning can wake me up and in bright moonlight i don't sleep as well.
Same goes for our plants. Its gonna stress it out a little. In nature thats ok because the plant doesnt HAVE as much to stress out about. But in controlled environments, the simple fact of not receiving pollen to reproduce is a VERY stressfull factor.
The plant may, if stressed enough, develop a single or more male flowers in a last attempt to have its genes survive. Obviously, we do NOT want that! So try to keep stress factors at an absolute low low! You have no reason to visit your plants during dark cycle, so don't!
And ye as said above, moonlight and lightning are not enough of a disturbance to break photoperiods (flowering/vege) completely
qwizoking
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Curing
I just posted this elsewhere..might as well
So basically
A percent of moisture is required to keep stomatas open and maintain gas exchange. Think of it like a cutting, its still alive. 40% is about the lower limit and the plant closes off to maintain homeostasis/hydration. During this process respiration and hydrolysis break down the plant...
Causing;
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner taste/high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a lower ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey and floral even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, giving an even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
(Ash are nutes, you cant remove them)
This is an aerobic process obviously, you dont want to just jar at the right rh.
Mold of any type wont typically grow under 60% giving this upper number..You want as much moisture as possible without it molding and good airflow, along with low temps- low 70's. Higher temps volatize terps and speed the bacterial break down of the plant, thats what makes brick weed yellow then turn brown and can give a foul odor, you want the plant to break it down.
The hay smell is of a similar process. But from a lack of oxygen, doesnt matter when you chop or what strain. It should never smell like that. Ever. My plants smell like dank all the way through. the "hay" smell is from nitrogen sugars cellulose, starch, etc breaking down anaerobically with the high moisture content. It begins to ferment. This releases ammonia and acids giving the foul odor.
Up rh (instead of jarring and burping) lower temps, and increase airflow is the general prescription.
The smell and flavor can continue to improve however ..if you just put in a jar once it drops to 60..as its not reliant on metabolic/enzymatic processes. Requiring little oxygen to cyclicize...
This will result in lower quality, it will smell cured but wont be properly done lacking the smooth amazing qualities of good smoke
I just posted this elsewhere..might as well
So basically
A percent of moisture is required to keep stomatas open and maintain gas exchange. Think of it like a cutting, its still alive. 40% is about the lower limit and the plant closes off to maintain homeostasis/hydration. During this process respiration and hydrolysis break down the plant...
Causing;
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner taste/high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a lower ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey and floral even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, giving an even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
(Ash are nutes, you cant remove them)
This is an aerobic process obviously, you dont want to just jar at the right rh.
Mold of any type wont typically grow under 60% giving this upper number..You want as much moisture as possible without it molding and good airflow, along with low temps- low 70's. Higher temps volatize terps and speed the bacterial break down of the plant, thats what makes brick weed yellow then turn brown and can give a foul odor, you want the plant to break it down.
The hay smell is of a similar process. But from a lack of oxygen, doesnt matter when you chop or what strain. It should never smell like that. Ever. My plants smell like dank all the way through. the "hay" smell is from nitrogen sugars cellulose, starch, etc breaking down anaerobically with the high moisture content. It begins to ferment. This releases ammonia and acids giving the foul odor.
Up rh (instead of jarring and burping) lower temps, and increase airflow is the general prescription.
The smell and flavor can continue to improve however ..if you just put in a jar once it drops to 60..as its not reliant on metabolic/enzymatic processes. Requiring little oxygen to cyclicize...
This will result in lower quality, it will smell cured but wont be properly done lacking the smooth amazing qualities of good smoke
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qwizoking
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Alright..next.
You dont want any degradation, im not sure what cbdb would be lol. But in the carboxylic form the compounds wont cross the blood brain barrier. We remove this group -cooh as h2o and co2 with heat or over time. These compounds are instantly decarbed once vaporized and boiling point is reached.
And decarbing done before that is unnecessary and ultimately leads to an increase of cbn, delta 8 thc etc. Less potent prducts.
Flushing will not lower nutes in your buds..it will however cause your plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves
When in a low nute environment. This stops overall depletion of nutes as the leaf is not completing photosynthesis and not taking anything in from the stem and the plant,so instead of a net loss the plant cuts off the leaf. This keeps the levels of nutes in buds stable.
This constant stability is pretty hard to disrupt, the plant will do all it can to protect the bud/reproduction.
But nutes in buds arent necessarily bad. And are actually what ash is made of, black ash was burned anaerobic leaving a lt of carbon. Low k, too much/uneven moisture is the cause. I like to compare weed with similar and more studied industries like tobacco. For example through extensive studies not only on burn qualites of the herb but also the cigarette theyve found Potassium to expand when hot and give a more complete and efficient burn, calcium provides a whiter softer flaky ash that can slow the burn etc, there is much more lol..
Anyway im done, my high wearing off.
You sound rather new to growing. Wish you the best of luck
You dont want any degradation, im not sure what cbdb would be lol. But in the carboxylic form the compounds wont cross the blood brain barrier. We remove this group -cooh as h2o and co2 with heat or over time. These compounds are instantly decarbed once vaporized and boiling point is reached.
And decarbing done before that is unnecessary and ultimately leads to an increase of cbn, delta 8 thc etc. Less potent prducts.
Flushing will not lower nutes in your buds..it will however cause your plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves
When in a low nute environment. This stops overall depletion of nutes as the leaf is not completing photosynthesis and not taking anything in from the stem and the plant,so instead of a net loss the plant cuts off the leaf. This keeps the levels of nutes in buds stable.
This constant stability is pretty hard to disrupt, the plant will do all it can to protect the bud/reproduction.
But nutes in buds arent necessarily bad. And are actually what ash is made of, black ash was burned anaerobic leaving a lt of carbon. Low k, too much/uneven moisture is the cause. I like to compare weed with similar and more studied industries like tobacco. For example through extensive studies not only on burn qualites of the herb but also the cigarette theyve found Potassium to expand when hot and give a more complete and efficient burn, calcium provides a whiter softer flaky ash that can slow the burn etc, there is much more lol..
Anyway im done, my high wearing off.
You sound rather new to growing. Wish you the best of luck
listmann
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Hah i am anything but new to growing as you actually already should know from reading my post about pulling exttracts, if not from my post inhere as i AM correct on every point except the point of flushing into wich you aparently have some undocumented insight into that i don't. So i sort of take offense to that statement but will forgove you since i also presumed a lack of knowledge on your part
Pulling extracts, that i AM new to. But only the praksis, i know everything possible to know in theory about it (i'm autistic)
and i know most of what you said and i agree on most points.
We are definely on the same page about curing. As i mentioned in my post. But stand corrected, i thought you wanted to skip that step as well, and just dry the buds to a crumble as fast as possible.
We do NOT however agree when it comes to flushing, i would love to see some relevant research on the area.
Pulling extracts, that i AM new to. But only the praksis, i know everything possible to know in theory about it (i'm autistic)
and i know most of what you said and i agree on most points.
We are definely on the same page about curing. As i mentioned in my post. But stand corrected, i thought you wanted to skip that step as well, and just dry the buds to a crumble as fast as possible.
We do NOT however agree when it comes to flushing, i would love to see some relevant research on the area.
Dr. Who
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Flushing is a myth! How about you show US some science promoting it!
Whoopsy = there isn't any!
Nothing that humans consume, in any way, gets "flushed"........It's all in the cure!
Doc