The Long War: Year Ten Lost in the Desert with the GPS on the Fritz

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In January 1863, President Abraham Lincoln’s charge to a newly-appointed commanding general was simplicity itself: “give us victories.” President Barack Obama’s tacit charge to his generals amounts to this: give us conditions permitting a dignified withdrawal. A pithy quote in Bob Woodward’s new book captures the essence of an emerging Obama Doctrine: “hand it off and get out.”


Getting into a war is generally a piece of cake. Getting out tends to be another matter altogether -- especially when the commander-in-chief and his commanders in the field disagree on the advisability of doing so.


Happy Anniversary, America. Nine years ago today -- on October 7, 2001 -- a series of U.S. air strikes against targets across Afghanistan launched the opening campaign of what has since become the nation’s longest war. Three thousand two hundred and eighty five days later the fight to determine Afghanistan’s future continues. At least in part, “Operation Enduring Freedom” has lived up to its name: it has certainly proven to be enduring.



As the conflict formerly known as the Global War on Terror enters its tenth year, Americans are entitled to pose this question: When, where, and how will the war end? Bluntly, are we almost there yet?


Of course, with the passage of time, where “there” is has become increasingly difficult to discern. Baghdad turned out not to be Berlin and Kandahar is surely not Tokyo. Don’t look for CNN to be televising a surrender ceremony anytime soon.


This much we know: an enterprise that began in Afghanistan but soon after focused on Iraq has now shifted back -- again -- to Afghanistan. Whether the swings of this pendulum signify progress toward some final objective is anyone’s guess.



To measure progress during wartime, Americans once employed pins and maps. Plotting the conflict triggered by 9/11 will no doubt improve your knowledge of world geography, but it won’t tell you anything about where this war is headed.


Where, then, have nine years of fighting left us? Chastened, but not necessarily enlightened.


Just over a decade ago, the now-forgotten Kosovo campaign seemingly offered a template for a new American way of war. It was a decision gained without suffering a single American fatality. Kosovo turned out, however, to be a one-off event. No doubt the United States military was then (and remains today) unbeatable in traditional terms. Yet, after 9/11, Washington committed that military to an endeavor that it manifestly cannot win.

Rather than probing the implications of this fact -- relying on the force of arms to eliminate terrorism is a fool’s errand -- two administrations have doggedly prolonged the war even as they quietly ratcheted down expectations of what it might accomplish.



In officially ending the U.S. combat role in Iraq earlier this year -- a happy day if there ever was one -- President Obama refrained from proclaiming “mission accomplished.” As well he might: as U.S. troops depart Iraq, insurgents remain active and in the field. Instead of declaring victory, the president simply urged Americans to turn the page. With remarkable alacrity, most of us seem to have complied.


Perhaps more surprisingly, today’s military leaders have themselves abandoned the notion that winning battles wins wars, once the very foundation of their profession. Warriors of an earlier day insisted: “There is no substitute for victory.” Warriors in the Age of David Petraeus embrace an altogether different motto: “There is no military solution.”



Here is Brigadier General H. R. McMaster, one of the Army’s rising stars, summarizing the latest in advanced military thinking: “Simply fighting and winning a series of interconnected battles in a well developed campaign does not automatically deliver the achievement of war aims.” Winning as such is out. Persevering is in.



So an officer corps once intent above all on avoiding protracted wars now specializes in quagmires. Campaigns don’t really end. At best, they peter out.



Formerly trained to kill people and break things, American soldiers now attend to winning hearts and minds, while moonlighting in assassination. The politically correct term for this is "counterinsurgency."


Now, assigning combat soldiers the task of nation-building in, say, Mesopotamia is akin to hiring a crew of lumberjacks to build a house in suburbia. What astonishes is not that the result falls short of perfection, but that any part of the job gets done at all.


Yet by simultaneously adopting the practice of “targeted killing,” the home builders do double-duty as home wreckers. For American assassins, the weapon of choice is not the sniper rifle or the shiv, but missile-carrying pilotless aircraft controlled from bases in Nevada and elsewhere thousands of miles from the battlefield -- the ultimate expression of an American desire to wage war without getting our hands dirty.



In practice, however, killing the guilty from afar not infrequently entails killing innocents as well. So actions undertaken to deplete the ranks of jihadists as far afield as Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia unwittingly ensure the recruitment of replacements, guaranteeing a never-ending supply of hardened hearts to soften.



No wonder the campaigns launched since 9/11 drag on and on. General Petraeus himself has spelled out the implications: “This is the kind of fight we're in for the rest of our lives and probably our kids' lives.” Obama may want to “get out.” His generals are inclined to stay the course.


Taking longer to achieve less than we initially intended is also costing far more than anyone ever imagined. Back in 2003, White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey suggested that invading Iraq might run up a tab of as much as $200 billion -- a seemingly astronomical sum. Although Lindsey soon found himself out of a job as a result, he turned out to be a piker. The bill for our post-9/11 wars already exceeds a trillion dollars, all of it piled atop our mushrooming national debt. Helped in no small measure by Obama's war policies, the meter is still running.



So are we almost there yet? Not even. The truth is we’re lost in the desert, careening down an unmarked road, odometer busted, GPS on the fritz, and fuel gauge hovering just above E. Washington can only hope that the American people, napping in the backseat, won’t notice.


Andrew Bacevich


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-bacevich/the-long-war-year-ten-los_b_754454.html

Good article...
 
In January 1863, President Abraham Lincoln’s charge to a newly-appointed commanding general was simplicity itself: “give us victories.”.....

....Perhaps more surprisingly, today’s military leaders have themselves abandoned the notion that winning battles wins wars, once the very foundation of their profession. Warriors of an earlier day insisted: “There is no substitute for victory.” Warriors in the Age of David Petraeus embrace an altogether different motto: “There is no military solution.” ......

Formerly trained to kill people and break things, American soldiers now attend to winning hearts and minds,...

Now, assigning combat soldiers the task of nation-building in, say, Mesopotamia is akin to hiring a crew of lumberjacks to build a house in suburbia. What astonishes is not that the result falls short of perfection, but that any part of the job gets done at all.
perhaps if we went into afganistan and left it in ruins -totally destroyed the infrastructure,sown the fields w/ salt so nothing could grow for years.just fu%#ed up the place and left it that way,then when we told Iraq to back off,Saddom might have been smart enough to listen & we would never have had to go in and rebuild that county as well.same for Iran.
it sucks but a fact of life is that you cannot reason with some people and sadly, the only thing that is effective is brute force.
 
perhaps if we went into afganistan and left it in ruins -totally destroyed the infrastructure,sown the fields w/ salt so nothing could grow for years.just fu%#ed up the place and left it that way,then when we told Iraq to back off,Saddom might have been smart enough to listen & we would never have had to go in and rebuild that county as well.same for Iran.
it sucks but a fact of life is that you cannot reason with some people and sadly, the only thing that is effective is brute force.

Holy shit.. finally!!! Someone else who thinks like I do. I've been saying the same damn thing for years now! This war WILL NOT end until we, the United States of America (#1 country btw) take brute action against the taliban.. and show them who's running the show. I've been saying for years now, that we 'The United States of America' need to just end the war.. by simply nuking these mother fuckers. Why?!?! It's simple! Use your brains and think about it!! If we withdraw our troops from those countries... all that's going to show our enemies.. is that we are a weak country IMO.. but if we were to drop a couple of nukes on their asses.. and show them whats up and that we don't fuck around... I would bet you money that they wouldn't try and fuck with us again. Well, technically they wouldn't be able to because there wouldn't be any terrorists left.

However, if we were to actually nuke them.. we still have a problem. What would that be? Well.. there are already sleeper cells (terrorist groups) in our country at this very moment. They're located here and in Europe! So I mean dropping some nukes on those countries that hold terrorist groups would get rid of them.. but we would still have the terrorist groups here in America and in Europe.. and they would for sure react with more attacks on us (and it would be very easy since they're already here) as soon as they heard and seen what we had done to their "people".

So its def. a problem..

this is also the reason why I don't see this war ending any time soon. Which is really sad because its going to just keep our economy in the dumps... and eventually they will send another attack onto American soil.. its just a matter of when... not a matter of "if".

It is what it is though.. and I can promise you one thing.. if any kind of war broke out here in America.. well.. let's just say... I'm protected if you feel what I'm saying. ;) One shot from my .50cal Desert Eagle (all chrome with pearl grip handles) and "Game Over!". That's not the only gun I have though.. I've got a couple of military style weapons as well. So, again.. if they wanna bring the fight.. then bring the fight because I'm not going down without fighting back.

Anyhow, that's my 2cents on this subject.

peace..
 
OH! and!... btw... the American government is a fucking joke. I've never been more disappointed with our government! Incompetent brainless assholes is all they are. O'bama isn't in office to help us... he's in it for the 'Lime Light'. He could care less about this country... and it shows. His wife, who looks like she got hit in the face by a Mack truck... that bitch could care less as well. All they know is that themselves and their ugly ass kids.. are safe if anything were to go down here in the U.S.A. Also, they have the health-care that ALL AMERICANS should have.. not just "important" people... everyone should have the same health-care that he and his family has.

But yeah.. again.. that Oreo could care less about us.. as long as he gets paid.. and gets to be on T.V. and take vacations every fucking month.. that's all he really cares about. It's the truth..! Sad, but its the truth.

Lastly.. Washington is nothing but screwed up politics.. ran by clueless people such as O'bama. They "think" that ALL of us (American citizens) are dumb.. and can't see whats really going on.. well let them keep thinking that... because some of us are smarter then they probably realize.

I'm done with this.. because it doesn't do anything but piss me off the more I talk about it.

peace..
 
Good article...

i'll concur.

this war has cost $336 billion (so far).

perspective time: $1,000 cost to every man, woman, and child in the U.S.

would have been better fought as a more covert cia op, methinks.

and to ganjaluvr,

you are not as smart as you think you are. a couple of nukes? do you think all the terrorists are just gathered in two areas devoid of innocent civilians and we know where those locations are? to say you have some serious mental shortcomings is a massive understatement. not surprising for someone who calls obama an oreo, his wife a bitch, and his kids ugly asses. for dog's sake, do us all a favor and never have children.

But yeah.. again.. that Oreo could care less about us.. as long as he gets paid.. and gets to be on T.V. and take vacations every fucking month.. that's all he really cares about. It's the truth..! Sad, but its the truth.

you wouldn't know truth if it smacked you in your toothless face.
 
i'll concur.

this war has cost $336 billion (so far).

perspective time: $1,000 cost to every man, woman, and child in the U.S.

would have been better fought as a more covert cia op, methinks.

and to ganjaluvr,

you are not as smart as you think you are. a couple of nukes? do you think all the terrorists are just gathered in two areas devoid of innocent civilians and we know where those locations are? to say you have some serious mental shortcomings is a massive understatement. not surprising for someone who calls obama an oreo, his wife a bitch, and his kids ugly asses. for dog's sake, do us all a favor and never have children.



you wouldn't know truth if it smacked you in your toothless face.
1000$ each is that all ...? maybe not such a bad deal after all. 10 years of explosive action packed news and lots of job creation.
 
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