Tips Curled, Bottom Leaves Yellowing.

Lipples

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Trying to figure out what I'm dealing with here... All the fan leaves spread out nice and flat, but towards thet tip it drops straight down or even curls under slightly. To go along with that, some of the lower leaves are yellowing. First it was one set of lower fan leaves, now growth from 1 of the nodes is showing it also. The temps have been a little warm (gotten to around 90-95 a few times) but she seems to be growing well otherwise. Also another note, most of her is a rich dark green, it doesn't look excessive but seems darker than many i've seen. What do you think?

First pic: Lower node growth, yellowing from the tips in and the veins appear to be yellowed before it lost all of its green.

2nd pic: actually taken last night, you can see the lower node growth is greener in this pic but still yellowing slightly. Also you can see the one set of affected fan leaves (other burns are from light contact - oops)

3rd pic: you can really see the leaf tips curling here.

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I've been having this problem for a little while, did some research a bit ago and found it seemed to be copper. The plic below looks exactly like mine with the tips, fan leaf color and bottom ones yellowing. I went out to my local hydro store, and started checking nutes ingredients for copper. Well lucky for me, FF Grow Big has I believe 0.05% copper, so i purchased it and did a pretty weak strength feeding with it, but it hasn't effected the plant yet. I know damaged leaves do not heal, but when the tips are curled such as they are will they return to normal when the deficiency is corrected or are those effected permenantly malformed? If they *should* correct, should I up the nute strength a little bit?

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Copper (Cu)

Copper plays a big role in producing healthy plants, stems, branches and new growths, as well as for the plants reproduction and maturity.
It also assists in carbohydrate metabolism and oxygen reduction.


Copper deficiency plants shows a lack of growth, growth tips die back, green leaves will show a bluish hue and plants may have a hard time showing maturity in vegging stages. Copper deficient plants causes irregular growth and wilting in the newer growths. The Leaves at top will wilt easily along with bleaching (chlorosis) and necrotic areas in the leaves. Leaves on the top of the plant may show veinal chlorosis.(bleaching of the veins)
Growth and yield will be diminished along with spots on the leaves that are necrotic.

To much copper in the system will cause the plant to die, as if it was a poison.Near death the plant will induce iron deficiencies and the root system will decay along with abnormal size of the roots, along with little side branching. Some new growths may not open up, along with becoming thin pale green to a bluish hue. Parts affected by copper deficiency are: new shoots, young leaves, and or the whole plant.



Problems with Copper being Locked out by Ph Troubles

High ph along with highly compacted soil that has a lack of nitrogen.



Soil

Copper gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0- 4.5
Copper is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 5.0-7.5 (Wouldn’t recommend having a soil ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Copper deficiency.


Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Copper gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.5-9.0
Copper is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-6.0 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a copper deficiency.



Solution to fixing a Copper deficiency
One way to treat a copper deficiency is by foliar feeding with Copper Sulphate, Cu sulfate, Cu chelates, Those 3 can also be used in soil. Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have copper in them will fix a copper deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
Other nutrients that have copper in them are: Granular, Garden Manure, Greensand.


Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics, (which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) you need to flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good
enough to get rid of excessive nutrients. Damaged leaves will NOT recover.





Picture 1 is a copper deficiency, (it may look like a over fertilization ( nitrogen) but look at the bottom of the leaves, notice how they are yellow and a bit of white, also some of the fan leave tips are brown and dying off.)

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