Tokeroo's Random Bagseed Grow

Batch 1: This includes B1 and B2, and C1. B2 and C1 are in flower and this makes the third day. I think one of them is starting to show male bits, but we shall see. Yellowing continues along with rust like spots. It's not looking good for B2 and C1. C1 is showing a little yellowing in the young leaves. I don't know if that is due to the changeover to flowering or not. I will get pics on both of those later.

Batch 2: D2 is still plugging along. D1 never sprouted. It had a taproot, but it was a weak stem and I think I flooded it out when I watered it.

Batch 3: BB1, BB2 and BB3 have all sprouted

Environment: Temps continue to fluctuate in Box One (flower). 62-85 or so depending on ambient temps and light cycle. Box Two is fluctuating, but it's sticking around 62-75 or so. Humidity remains down in both boxes - 20%in box one, 30ish % in box two.

I tried using a plastic bowl with water, covered by foil with a slit cut in it and a paper towerl inserted to wick the moisture out. It's working some in Box Two, but not at all in Box One. Maybe too much air movement in Box One?

Moved B1 into box one to start flowering.

Transplanted D2 and BB1-BB3. I panted two per pot. Not planning on letting these veg too long. Will be lsting all of these.

D2 had grown its roots out of the soil and attached to the side of the cup. I expect that one to have to recover from the stress as it was rather hard on that one.

I started pHing my water finally. I think that's what is causing the rust spots and yellowing. Soil pH has consistently been 6.5-6.8, but the water is about 7.8. I have used vinegar to ph down the last batch of water I drew down to 6.5 or so. I watered BB1, BB2, BB3 and D2 with this phed water.

WOW 7.8 is high ,could have caused nute lock..but keep watering with phed water below 6.5 ,but surprised the soil is 6.5 ish..but thats good ,looks like yer getting it ..subbed
Are those soft white bulbs in first pic?should be day light for grow..but you probably already know that..lol

allen bud said:

WOW 7.8 is high ,could have caused nute lock..but keep watering with phed water below 6.5 ,but surprised the soil is 6.5 ish..but thats good ,looks like yer getting it ..subbed
Are those soft white bulbs in first pic?should be day light for grow..but you probably already know that..lol

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Yeah 2700K for the first pic. Those four plants are all in flower right now. I did it a bit premature because I only have so much room, and they stopped growing for a bit (stress?) So I just threw them over into flowering to see what they do.

Batch 1
B1 and B2 turned out as males, so I have pulled them.
C1 is female! I bent her a little more (is that ok to do in flower?) because her top was pointing straight up and the last bend was a few nodes back.

Batch 2 and 3
BB1, BB2 and BB3 are all doing well, and D2 is looking good.

Notes: Jock Horror and Bubblelicious seeds came in today! Going to start the germ on a few tonight.

These updates are current as of Sunday night Feb 6th, 2011.

Batch 1:
Watered C1 Saturday morning. I think this plant has just about become root bound. Water went straight through when I poured, and I poured slowly. I tried to keep it slow, but got the medium as wet as I could w/o wasting too much runoff. I set the extra runoff to the side to help with the humidity.

Sunday around noon I checked on C1 again and it was just about bone dry. So I watered her again with ph'd water. Slowly as usual, and this time it seemed the medium was soaking it up a bit more. I got her nice and wet until a little runoff came out then snapped some pics.

She has a few rust spots on one of the lower leaves - I have read this may be the first signs of nut burn. The fert I am using (veg and flower now) is the Schultz 20-30-20. I am going to flush her next time she needs water. I gave up on the Make It Rain method for now. Since flushing requires me to physically move the plants from the attic to the bathroom, I want to minimize the stress. Once I get a good stealth cab going, I will try that method once more.

Batch 2:
D2 is looking right nice! It got watered this weekend.

Batch 3:
BB1 and BB2 are looking a little stunted, while BB3 which is in the same pot as D2 (Batch 2), seems to be doing really well. They all got watered this weekend.

Humidity in both boxes has risen some. Box One (flowering) is sitting steady at 30%. Temps were a little warmer outside this weekend, and the box got up to about 85 at the peak of the day. Box two (veg) is not as warm (highest I saw over the weekend was 77 I think) but the humidity is a tad higher at around 35-37%.

I am thinking I need to open up at least a passive intake on Box Two, as the seedlings are showing what appears to be trouble transpiring, maybe due to lack of circulation in this box. Am I correct in thinking this based on the pics?

Flushed C1 today. I didn't use 3x container, mainly because I have given this plant very little extra nutes. If it's getting burnt, it's getting burnt by the MG soil. So I flushed it with 1x container, using pH'd water.

I am hoping to start light LST on D2 in a few days and then BB3. Not sure if I want to continue to grow out BB1 and BB2 as they are both much smaller in relation to BB3. Not knowing if any of these will turn out female, I almost at least want to get them in to flowering for a few days.

I am planning on moving each in to flowering at approx ~4-4.5 weeks. I have not started germming the JH or BBL, I am planning to do that now in a few days so that I can time their transplanting with BB1-BB3 and D2 moving to Flower.

Batch 1:
C1 is still having some issues. After the mini-flush the leaf problem is continuing. What started out as a few small circular rust spots is now turning into yellowing. I have a feeling this multiple issues, I just do not know where to start. I was thinking pH - but I fixed my pH (even though the soil was spot on the whole time), then maybe nute burn - but I am thinking it's more of a deficiency.

Batch 2:
D2 is looking absolutely gorgeous. Short, tight node spacing so far and overall looking pretty healthy to my untrained eye.

Batch 3:
BB3 is still moving on up. It's looking about like D2 did a few days ago. BB1 and BB2 are moving up too, just a little slower. I think I may have planted a little too close together and they are competing for some light.

LST begins either today or tomorrow.

And here's some pics!

Got my really expensive digital pH meter (and TDS/Temp) and realized these things done come calibrated from the factory. So now I am waiting on the calibration and storage solution which should be here early next week before I can really do anything with it.

Some bad news - I finally tested the pH of my runoff, and it's low. Like, in the 5's-or-below low. I had originally thought that my pH was high, because the last few times I pH'd my water, it was reading 7-8. I have been using the pool test strips. Aquachem or something? So what I am going to do is pH my water with these strips before every watering, until my digital pH meter is up and functional.

So the pH has been lowered, and C1 is getting worse. So what's wrong with C1?

-Yellowing leaves, starting from the lower leaves first. I have removed a few. All had reddish/purplish stems.
- A few leaves are loosing luster and turning pale green. Almost a yellow green, but not yellow. It's somewhat uniform, but is slightly more pale/yellow as you get towards the tips. You can see this in Pic 3 in the last post. There are now a few more that are turning pale.
- Thin wispy leaves around bud sites. This may be normal? Slight yellowing in new growth
- rust/brown spots. Can see in Pic 3 above, again. There are a few others that have this problem as well, mostly mid/old leaves.

Based on this, and knowing my pH has been jumping around, it looks like overall deficiencies across the board.

Yellowing lower leaves w/red stems- signals a nitrogen def. Nitrogen is mobile, so it will be relocated from old growth to new growth. Red stems could also be an indicator of a
Pale lower/mid leaves - possibly signaling a Potassium def. Pic 3 in post above seems to show signs of Potassium def. This could also signal a Sulfur def.
Thin wispy new growth - Seen in pics 4 and 5 above. Could indicate a Zinc def. Some of the yellowing on the new growth could also be a sign of Iron def.

So right now, I don't know if the pH has blocked out a lot of nutes, or if it just ran out of what it had (most likely). I got her nice and wet with plenty of runoff from 20-30-20 Schultz fert. I used about 3/4 teaspoon. That water was pHing well below the 6.2 that is as low as the kit I am using goes. The soil pH tester stabilized around 5.2.

I think I will head to HD or Lowes and find me some Dolomite Lime to help stabilize my pH.

BB1 and BB2 are dead. I apparently overwatered them as the soil has been water logged for about 2 days now. I decided to rip them out and recycle the pot and box space to house my, Bubblicious that should be sprouting tonight or tomorrow.

BB3 and D2 are both showing some yellowing on the top new growth and some splotchiness on the lower growth. I am thinking this is a def as well, but the runoff pH for this was also testing way low. Soil pH came in about 5.8. I soaked these also with some fertilizer solution with a decent amount of runoff. This is the first feeding these plants have received. Pics coming later!

C1 seems to be responding to the feeding. Coloring hasn't changed, but it hasn't gotten worse either. Some of the small bud sites grew out a little bit today. Good signs!

C1 update with pics: 59 days from seed, Day 22 of flower

Seems to be responding well to the nutes. Saw some growth yesterday and should see a little more today.

I will update on BB3 and D2 later/tomorrow.

These are all pics of C1 snapped this morning

Ruh-roh! C1 isn't looking good. I don't have pics right now, but I will tonight.

I had picked up some fast-acting lime from Lowes over the weekend, hoping to get my pH stabilized quickly. I didn't know how much to use, so I just sprinkled a decent amount on the soil and then watered it good with nutes. That was Saturday the 12th. Yesterday the 14th I noticed some of the newer leaves (mostly around secondary bud sites) started to get turn greyish...gold? copper? I don't know how to describe it. It's nothing I have ever seen in my limited grow exp. The leaves that are affected are starting to "roll" up together, as in, the sides of a leaf finger will curl up towards each other. I noticed this in the smaller, newer leaves first, but it's starting to affect a few mid leaves as well, but at a slower rate.

Does anyone have any ideas based on the description? I will get pics tonight.

So I had to go out of town for a couple days for work. Apparently I didn't water C1 enough and came back to her completely wilted. I am trying to rehab her. Pic below is from the day after I watered her when coming back. She's doing much better, but I lost the whole main cola (not that it was very big anyhow). So now I am hoping the smaller sites kick in and give me *something* from this.

C1 - Day 41 of flowering. This is the one that completely wilted. She has bounced back! She shows a little nute burn where I went a little nuts with the ferts combined with the after effects of her wilting. She's producing pretty flowers now!

BB3/D2 - They are doing well. They have been in flower for about 1-1.5 weeks now. I was bad and didn't record the date they moved over. Both turned out to be female. I have LST'd a little more and the lower (well, "inner" now) bud sites have started to perk up. I may have given them a little much nitrogen as the leaves are really dark. I am backing off the nutes for a little bit and seeing if she stabilizes. Though, it looks like I actually have a nitrogen def in a few of the lower leaves.

I also have a new cabinet. I had to get things out from the attic as the temps varied way too much. So I got this Black and Decker cabinet from one of the big box hardware stores. I have lined most of it with foil for now. Still has some light leak issues, and the air flow could be better - but it works! Temps are topping out around 90-91 when both "chambers" are going. I try to air it out a little here and there as I can. Each "chamber" (shelf) has one 120mm intake and one 120mm outlet. However, I didn't cut a whole square for the fans. I started using a wood boring bit and it about wrecked the back of the cabinet - you can see this in one of the shots of the fan. So I settled for drilling large holes in a grid-like pattern.

At the bottom of the cabinet is the "veg" area. Right now I have a Jock Horror and a Bubblicious going.

Pics:

Quick update:

C1 is plugging along. I had some nute issues about two weeks ago. I thought I had burned it, then it started showing more signs of a deficiency (imo). So I have given it some more. I still have not hammered down how often to feed. That being said, she has made a decent recovery from the total wilting. I had to top the main cola because it had wilted past the point of recovery. What you see below in the picture labeled "C1_Bud", is the result of that topping. Three main buds seemed to have form in its place. I am thinking there is only a week or two left until the chop.

BB3 and D2 are doing rather well, considering the high temps they have had to endure. I have consistently seen yellowing in the lower fan leaves. It's slow, and takes about 3-5 days for a single leaf to go from green/yellow to yellow/brown. It points to a nitrogen deficiency, but the upper leaves are green I have gotten confused as to whether I have given it too much nitrogen, or not enough. I will feed them again soon.

In the BB3_D2_top pic, D2 is on the left and BB3 is on the right.

As of right now, I think BB3 and D2 are right at about week 4 of flowering. I didn't record the date I moved them over, so I am guessing, with a margin of error of +/- 1 week.

I purchased a new cabinet for flowering. The temps in it are staying right around 85F +/- 3 degrees. The temps in my other cabinet are reaching 115F! I will be picking up another 3' cabinet this weekend I hope.

No pics right now, will come tonight.

I pulled a few buds off C1. They didn't fatten up much, I figure 90% of the reason is due to nute abuse and bad ph. The first bud I let dry for about 48 hours in a closed armoire, and then we smoked it. Grinded up, it ended up being a full bubbler pack. Very heady high, I had almost a permanent grin on my face and slight (very very slight) visual "abnormalities". I don't know how to describe it, other than my peripheral vision seemed like it was "moving". First hit was super smooth. Later hits were harsher and cough inducing.

The other two buds I pulled yesterday and may have to tap those tomorrow as our personal is running out.

As for the plant itself, I have trouble reading the trichomes. Clear/cloudy all look the same - but I am noticing a amber head here and there. Hoping to pull the full plant in about 1 or 1.5 weeks. It's yellowing badly, necrotic spots - seems to be massive nute def, but it's about to be pulled so fuck it. Straight water only.

D2 and BB3 are still doing ok, though I had some yellowing. Some was to be expected, but this was a overall yellowing with some veins yellowing as well. pH is way off. Like 4.0 off. I added some fast acting lime, and so far the pH has come up to 5.0 as of ~6pm last night. It should be due for watering tomorrow I think. I trimmed some of bigger fan leaves off the main cola/stem to allow for better light penetration to the lower canopy and to the main colas themselves. D2's main cola isn't bad, considering. Not much resin, but it's quite fat. Wife already said it's the prettiest in flowering of the few I have grown so far. It is probably a very very tight "two fingers" in diameter (just barely).

And again, some pics tonight!

Well, pics will have to come tomorrow. Lights are about to go out and I don't have my camera cable tonight.

Anyhow, noticed some beans in D2. I am guessing some male pollen got released from the bag I had the males in and/or I had some on me. Looks like maybe 8 or so seeds so far. pH is back up to 6.5-7.0

Sorry for the delay in pics. Here are a few, albeit bad quality. I guess my hand was shaking lol..

Moved C1 into darkness last night. Plan to chop Saturday night.

D2 and BB3 are doing ok. I watered them today with 1/3 strength nutes. pH is still a little off, fluctuating between 6 and 6.5 depending on where I stuck the soil meter.

This morning, I noticed BB3 had MAJOR spotting on some of the leaves. It literally looks like the leaf is oxidizing (rusting). C1 did something similar as well after I had applied the fast-acting lime, so I am suspecting this may be the issue. I trimmed off most of the affected leaves. D2 does not seem to be affected, or at least, it's more resilient to whatever the hell I did. Depending on how she smokes, I might reveg her. She has put up with a lot of shit, and my wife still says it's the best looking plant I have done so far, despite some yellowing, etc. The buds are decent-sized considering CFL and that she was in the same pot as another plant. Either that, or reveg long enough to clone her. I took some pics of the buds, and will post when I can get them onto the pc.