tryin to understand, quality vs quantity? science a Philosophy.

XRagnorX

New Member
So I met up with a buddy of mine the other day to talk shop and hang out, whatever.

Now this guy he got his med authorization a year or two ago, He hadn't grown any weed in 20 years or so. He went down to the local hydro store and purchased some real nice equipment and set up a micro Garden real similar to mine.
Now with very minimal experience he is producing Giant 2 litter bottle sized buds on 3 foot tall plants. I mean these things are ridiculously huge and they have good odor and a fair amount of crystals.
He uses small pots 1 gallon I think. 1000w no co2. He uses foxfarms and feeds by the schedule. He has never tested PH and dosn't even know how let alone what it means.
He has been ravaged by PM for over a year and is just starting to be concerned. Aphids have set up shop "but they arn't harming the plants".
He just let's it go and harvests huge amounts of weed that I would honestly throw in the fireplace. I don't tell him that though cause I don't want to be a dick.

Now I on the other hand have considerably more experience growing weed. I have had at least a couple plants outside a majority of my adult years. Now that I have the medical auth I have moved indoors and set up my own little closet.
Now the thing is I spend a minimum (usually much more) of an hour a day staring at my plants. If a spidermite farts off in the corner of the room I know about it. If a colony of mold sets up shop on a single lower leaf I am on that sucker like white on rice.
I hand mix pure organic soil. I study till I can't focus my eye's. I test PH, I know what an anion and a cation are and how they uptake . I know how the hot and cold and evaporation effect osmotic pressure inside the roots and stem.
I am well on my way to being a self taught plant biologist and a master gardener IMHO.

I grow some dank weed and I'm proud of that. Potency if over-the-top, flavor is strong and clean, buds are dense and aromatic in ways few have managed that I know of. But try as I may my buds are rarely larger than a can of coke.
At best a mini stallion, forget about the Donkey (this is indoors mind yah). Actually that is it, My buddies indoor 3 footers Bud like my outdoor 6 footers.


I to use 1000W the same bulb as my buddy. I grow in 5 gallon buckets which the root fill in roughly 2 weeks after transplanting. I have CO2 injection. I use microbiologicals and trace minerals.
Now if I add even dilute foxfarms nutrients I am burning my plants. If I add Beasty Blooms, forget about it leaves will be yellow by morning.
Basically if I dont wait till my plants are showing deficiency They will nute burn if I add ferts. I dont understand this. I keep my ph 5.8-6.5.

Like I say potency is never a problem, but size difference is ridiculous. I do not understand why I cannot attain Mondo, Draft Stallion Buds. Sorry I am stuck on the Donkey Dick analogy.
Now obviously genetics comes into play here but if my buddy and me grow the same strain he is still out producing me by roughly 75%. However I am producing far superior meds, far superior!

I am hoping some elder might share his sage advice on this matter. I know size isn't everything But I would like to understand this matter.

Why can he drowned his plants in nutrient solution and they love it. While my plants are super sensitive to even mild nutrient solution by the same manufacturer?
We can assume that it's because my soil is richer to start with but then why arn't my buds bigger?

One thing to consider is that my Buds are literally hard as a stick while his are kind of mushy like a marshmallow. That is something and he wants harder buds and I want bigger ones.
But what is the fundamental difference here?


Anyone feel like steppin up and laying down the Law?
What am I failing to comprehend?
 

Illegal Smile

Well-Known Member
Two observations:

1. The cannabis gods are fickle.
2. Potency is mostly a function of genetics, yield is what the grower does. Maybe you are just growing a much better strain. Let him grow some of yours and see what happens.
 

XRagnorX

New Member
Sorry did you have a question? I quit reading somewhere between "I'm a grow god" and "master gardner" sorry!!
No it's not like that, I'm just trying to stress that Ive studied the fuck out of it and I cant figure out why I cant get bigger buds.

I'm hoping someone can explain what I need to do to increase yield. without using a bunch of fertilizer. Maximum yield....
 

XRagnorX

New Member
Two observations:

1. The cannabis gods are fickle.
2. Potency is mostly a function of genetics, yield is what the grower does. Maybe you are just growing a much better strain. Let him grow some of yours and see what happens.
Yeah, I gave him some of mine to see what it looks like when he grows it. Picked up some of his too. Kind of a double blind study.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I gave him some of mine to see what it looks like when he grows it. Picked up some of his too. Kind of a double blind study.
Fuck dude, if he has PM as bad as you say I would stay the fuck away from anything of his coming into my garden.
 

XRagnorX

New Member
Fuck dude, if he has PM as bad as you say I would stay the fuck away from anything of his coming into my garden.
Yeah, I came home and took my cloths off and washed and then soil drenched and sprayed the clones with actinovate, It makes me nervous too.
I plan on getting some eagle20 and having it on hand in case they show any signs of it. When I do clone I will leave them a while at high temp an humidity to see if anything starts growing.
They definitely aren't going in the 12/12 unless I'm sure they are not carriers. PM can be defeated but it's a real pain in the ass and can really be costly in time and materials.
I learned all about it recently. I hate having to burn half budded plants.

But yeah I agree, It's best not to screw around with it at all...... But I need the strain for my outdoor and it's clone only.... risk_/|\_reward.
 

GrassCity Sucks

Active Member
I am well on my way to being a self taught plant biologist and a master gardener IMHO.
What a stupid thing to say.

If you're the master grower, then how come some dick with NO knowledge is producing bigger, better buds than you?

XRagnorX: "I am THE MASTER GROWER!!! I'M A FUCKING DEMIGOD! WHY ARE HIS BUDS BIGGER THAN MINE??? HE DON'T EVEN KNOW NUTHIN *I* KNOW! ... IT'S NOT FAAAAIIIR!!!"

Maybe he's just a better grower than you are - for all your 'studying' :)

I also noticed, that you didn't mention which strain you were both growing when he was getting monsta-buds, whilst you were getting mouse-sized ones, and you conveniently omitted any information about how his Godzilla-dick-sized buds smoke.

Seems to me, if your buds were so much more potent than his, you wouln't be concerned at all about his buds simply being 'bigger'.

Look out for that Green-Eyed Monster man, jealousy will CHEW YOU UP NIGGA! LOL~!
 
This probably isnt a big deal but you oculd see how close your lights are compared to his cause I noticed that when my lights are closer and the plant has a lot of nutrients it is more likely to burn. Also when you give them the nutrients could matter as well. If its the same strain I dont know why his would do one thing and yours would do another. I know some strains change seed by seed but I wouldnt think that much. I dont have much to help with that. you could try using other fertilizers and see if it makes a difference
 
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