We're officially out of the Paris Climate Accord

ArcticGranite

ArcticGranite

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SneekyNinja said:
5 to 7, warrantied for 25.

7 or 8 years ago I had your scepticism, PV panels just weren't quite there yet and storage solution were clunky at best.

Now people have competitions to see who can power their house without the solar input on batteries alone for the longest time.

It's getting to the point where alot of utilities won't let you sell back to the grid because they'd end up sending you cheques every month because arrays produce such a surplus.
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My neighbors put up rooftop solar, $24K. I'll see what it generates. There's no batteries. Winter production was minimal, snow/frost/ice fog/lo sun angle. I'm curious though.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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ArcticGranite said:
My neighbors put up rooftop solar, $24K. I'll see what it generates. There's no batteries. Winter production was minimal, snow/frost/ice fog/lo sun angle. I'm curious though.
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60 - 90% of max output at a low angle. That sort of setup is overkill without batteries though.
 
SneekyNinja

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Justin-case said:
I live a little north of the fortieth parallel. Panels hit heir peak out put in the winter due to cooler temps, but shorter days mean less over all. I imagine the system retarded granite is talking about is a grid tie.
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That's where total array size comes into play, if you oversize it and have battery storage you can just about get around most obstacles now.

It's a shame the way most modern electrical goods expect AC though. With a solar array youre inverting DC to AC so a transformer in your electrical items can convert it back to DC again. Quite inefficient but it is what it is.
 
UncleBuck

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ArcticGranite said:
Do you believe that politicians, using money, can control earths climate?
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you still haven't accepted the fact that humans, by their own activities, have dramatically changed the earth's climate, sending CO2 skyrocketing to 410+ PPM, a level not seen in 800,000 years.

so of course a retard like you will be skeptical that humans, by changing their own activities, can limit or contain the damage they have caused by funding new technologies that reduce or eliminate our dependence on CO2 pollution.

FFS, you actually think the whole thing is a KKK-inspired, david duke type conspiracy to take money from white people and give it to jews and brown people.

so maybe you should not be the one to opine on this topic, ever. you jew-hating retard.
 
Lucky Luke

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In my state we run close to 100% hydro power. (and have done for a long long time). Which is state owned.

Even with this the State government just introduced a $10k interest free loan for households to spend on energy saving products. Anything from solar panels (which also has a Federal rebate) to window glazing.

So can the govt help fight climate change AND in the process save the consumer money AND create jobs? Yes.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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ttystikk said:
1500 x .2 = $300/month.
1500kWh/30= 50kWh/day
Ballpark $10k for such a system
$10,000/300=33 months, or less than 3 years.

Lifetime of the average system is 20 years. I didn't price the battery, but there are ways around that, like owning an electric car and using it as energy storage. This is already being done on a national scale in countries like Denmark.

This assumes electricity rates don't rise, which of course they do.
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you left out the most expensive part.
the batteries will do you in. look how much they are for an electric outboard boat motor.

and what batteries are we talking anyways? lithium is a broad spectrum of batteries. lifepo being the safest for deep cycle apps iirc.

If you've never seen a lithium battery in thermal runaway I would suggest youtubing that.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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twostrokenut said:
the batteries will do you in. look how much they are for an electric outboard boat motor.

and what batteries are we talking anyways? lithium is a broad spectrum of batteries. lifepo being the safest for deep cycle apps iirc.

If you've never seen a lithium battery in thermal runaway I would suggest youtubing that.
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given your track record of lying, no one is going to believe a word you have to say about this.

you also think a trailer is a better investment than a home, so no one is going to have much confidence in what you think is a good long term investment either.

you are also a rather unhinged denier of global warming and climate change, so your bias against renewable energies is apparent.

just stick to sorting pennies, that is your forte in life.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Lucky Luke said:
In my state we run close to 100% hydro power. (and have done for a long long time). Which is state owned.

Even with this the State government just introduced a $10k interest free loan for households to spend on energy saving products. Anything from solar panels (which also has a Federal rebate) to window glazing.

So can the govt help fight climate change AND in the process save the consumer money AND create jobs? Yes.
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I'd love to build wind turbines on the coast.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Batteries are coming down in price all the time. Lots of competition and investment is going into them. Remember you dont have to have batteries either. you can run on the panel and any extra from the grid. Sell what your not using back to the grid and at the end of the day have a very very inexpensive power bill, future proof your house and add value to your house
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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twostrokenut said:
you left out the most expensive part.
the batteries will do you in. look how much they are for an electric outboard boat motor.

and what batteries are we talking anyways? lithium is a broad spectrum of batteries. lifepo being the safest for deep cycle apps iirc.

If you've never seen a lithium battery in thermal runaway I would suggest youtubing that.
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You mean Li-po (Lithium-Polymer)?

Except that they're pretty prone to exploding and all...

18650's are what most people use for, well, nearly everything nowadays.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Lucky Luke said:
Batteries are coming down in price all the time. Lots of competition and investment is going into them. Remember you dont have to have batteries either. you can run on the panel and any extra from the grid. Sell what your not using back to the grid and at the end of the day have a very very inexpensive power bill, future proof your house and add value to your house
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Most utilities don't allow it anymore that's why batteries make the most sense.
 
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