What do you think...

... the American Civil War was fought over?

I voted other (state's rights/money).

I have asked for this poll to be moved to Politics. Could any mod help a brother out?

care to elaborate.....?

Tryingtomastrkush said:

care to elaborate.....?

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I'm not trying to explain myself. I'm asking what you think. I invite others to chime in if they feel so inclined.

I think it started over some of the southern states seceeding from the Union. Now they may have seceeded because of the new laws about slavery, but the first attack and and big fight was about states leaving the union and not paying taxes to the Federal Goverment or the Union.
IMHO.

WELL...it's largely due to when lincoln won the 1860 elections, and 7 states decided to go into secession against the union. They went onto esteblish a new capital in Alabama. They went on to have a Pre-war conference to try and establish a peaceful alternative, but when the 8 other confederate states declined an invitation to join the other 7 members decided to seize all forts within there boundaries. It wasn't until fort sumpter was attacked, and lincolns inaguration (and his constitution is a better union mindset) that led to war.

So slavery is apart of it, but more to do with the confederate states wanting the right to maintain a way of life that led to war.

It was an economical and ideological battle between the union(northern) and the confederacy(southern). Slavery was abolished by Abe Lincoln in an attempt to weaken the confederacy about a year or 2 into the war and it worked.

Roseman said:

I think it started over some of the southern states seceeding from the Union. Now they may have seceeded because of the new laws about slavery, but the first attack and and big fight was about states leaving the union and not paying taxes to the Federal Goverment or the Union.
IMHO.

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Roseman said:

Maybe it was the people who ate grits and okra AGAINST the people who ate broccoli and green peas.

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That's quite the followup post you have there. Thanks for not taking this too seriously.

The entire reason why the southern states seceded is because they were being lead by a person that wasn't even in the ballot.

In the states south of the Mason-Dixon line Lincoln wasn't on the ballot, thus for him to be elected president made it clear to them that they were essentially helpless when it came to being the serfs of an industrialized abolitionist north.

It's essentially the equivalent of the modern US where the rural areas are under the domination of the urban areas, despite having very different ideas.

Of course, the comparison isn't exactly accurate, as part of the problem in the modern US is that the politicians, being the morons that they are, decided to arbitrarily fix the number of seats in the House of Representatives at 435.

The south was rebelling against being taxed with out representation. In short, they were fighting the Second American Revolution with slavery being a secondary issue that the north focused on to create a fiction that it some how had the moral high ground.

Slavery was secondary.
Lincoin had his reasons for fighting.
Europe was trying to divide and conquer the US, IMO.
Which forced Lincoin to fight to maintain the union
and a strong front to our potential enemys.

The civil war is still going on really
and its effects are still felt to this day.
The first gun laws in the US
where to prevent pissed off blacks from become armed mobs.
the first marrage licences were to prevent blacks and whites marrying.

Lincoin was over rated.
The south was more or less right, save slavery.

To be more accurate, the term "Civil War" should be changed to The War Against Secession."

Vi

Please mods dont get your banhammer out!

But I dont give 2 hoots what caused the US civil war, be it slavery, or excessive federal power.

But let me tell you that ever since a child when I ever saw a film about your civil war I always rooted for the confederates. why you may ask?

Well, if you could legally secede from our empire in 1776 WTF stops the south from seceding from your empire?
Either seccesion is wrong or it isnt, by your behaviour in 1776 it isnt wrong. So why did you get so mad at the south?

I just dont get it. And Iam fascinated by your civil war. Iam a history buff, I know loads about the first and second world wars, but I recently realised that I knew feck all about your civil war. So I spent a month or so reading nothing but US civil war histories.

And while we are talking about the civil war why does every battle have 2 names? What I call the first battle of manasas most americans call the battle of bull run. why?

toodle-oo

doris

doktordoris said:

Please mods dont get your banhammer out!

But I dont give 2 hoots what caused the US civil war, be it slavery, or excessive federal power.

But let me tell you that ever since a child when I ever saw a film about your civil war I always rooted for the confederates. why you may ask?

Well, if you could legally secede from our empire in 1776 WTF stops the south from seceding from your empire?
Either seccesion is wrong or it isnt, by your behaviour in 1776 it isnt wrong. So why did you get so mad at the south?

I just dont get it. And Iam fascinated by your civil war. Iam a history buff, I know loads about the first and second world wars, but I recently realised that I knew feck all about your civil war. So I spent a month or so reading nothing but US civil war histories.

And while we are talking about the civil war why does every battle have 2 names? What I call the first battle of manasas most americans call the battle of bull run. why?

toodle-oo

doris

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Actually the Battle of Manassas and the Battle of Bull Run depends on your perspective. I believe that from the southern perspective it is the First Battle of Manassas whereas from the northern perspective it was the Battle of Bull Run.

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The First Battle of Bull Run, also known as the First Battle of Manassas (the name used by Confederate forces and still often used in the Southern United States), was fought July 21, 1861, near Manassas, Virginia. It was the first major land battle of the American Civil War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run)

As far as why every battle has two names.

My guess would be that it's a result of the fact that there really wasn't a conquest per se. For the most part the South was still relatively free to teach their version of history (hence the continued pride they take in the South and the Confederacy, 'The South will Rise Again!' and their own history (distinct from the collective national history.)

So you have two names such as for that of the Battle of Bull Run (First Battle of Manasas)

Though I don't think it's all Battles, just a few.

I don't think the Battle of Gettysburg has different names, or the Siege of Vicksburg, or the Battle of Shiloh, etc.

(edited:
I was wrong about the Battle of Shiloh, it also has two names, Battle of Pittsburg Landing being the other title)

Though going back to supporting the South,

Treason is loved by many
the Traitor loved by none

Though the Civil War is a misnomer, the South did not want control of the government, they wanted to leave the government. I think the less commonly used, 'War between the States' or 'War of Secession' would be a better title for it.