What is going on in Denver? Are lobbyists to blame?

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
On Jan 11, 2010 the city of Denver unanimously passed new regulations to be enforced on cannabis dispensaries effective March 1, 2010.

The regulations will require dispensaries to obtain a special license at the cost of $2000 initially then $3000 annually for renewal. It will also impose a proximity law, stating that dispensaries can be no closer than 1000 ft. to eachother, and at least 1000 ft away from any school or day care center. Law enforcement officials will also be allowed to inspect and question dispensary owners and employees for compliance for compliance with no probable cause or warrant. Caregivers who only care for up to five patients will not be held to these standards.

In an interview posted on M3magazinelive.com Denver city council member Micheal Hancock was quoted saying " These regulations will close a majority of dispensaries in Denver, there are 390 of them right now. But the larger, more established dispensaries will have no problem with this issue and patients will still have access to their medicine."

When government bodies impose regulations on industries the main goal of said regulation is to eliminate competition in the marketplace or manufacturing sector. These regulations are motivated by special interest groups or lobbyists.

On the same website Atty. Rob Corry wrote a blog about the regulations. He stated that there is not alot that can be done when a city regulates business. It is in their power to do so. Unless some sort of coalition is formed than there is no way these regulations can be appealed.

Rob Corry has been instrumental in helping Colorado MMJ patients recieve the respect they deserve. When gov't tried to step in and mandate a 5 patients per cargiver law Rob stepped up and the patients came out on top. There are several lawyers in Colorado that have done an equal amount of work helping cannabis patients as well. These lawyers also legally represent a large number of the dispensaries in the metro area. Hence their interest in making sure dispensaries can continue serving more than five patients per.

It is my belief and fear that this is exactly what we are seeing here in Denver. There are like I said numerous lawyers with a vested interest in these dispensaries. Doctors as well. Some even have made investments in their own dispensaries. But they won't tell you that. The doctors on the other hand are out in the open about their ownership of dispensaries. With substansial capital that doctors and lawyers earn they can easily take over a market where the competition is normal everyday folks looking to get into a new business. Alot of times these individuals replenish their retirement accounts or pool together some like minded individuals to go in on a partnership.

These special interest groups work for the big time dispensaries in Denver and the motivation of these regulations is to eliminate the growing competition. They send individuals out into neighborhoods to canvas the residents to obtain their opinion on the growing medical marijuana scene. Then they convenientlly leave out all the positive feedback they receive, to make it look like there is an overwhelming negativity surrounding these businesses.
Which in turn motivates city council members whom are in bed alot of times with special interest groups to pass laws that they suggest.

We must form a coalition to rebuke these regulations. If we let government have an inch, they will take a mile. The council has already said that this is only the beginning of regulations that will be imposed on dispensaries. The rich doctors and lawyers who have a vested interest in these regulations will not be on our side this time. It is time we speak our voices and be heard.

Stay tuned this is not over, Tyrannabudz, out.:cuss:
 

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
An example of this type of gov't colluding took place just last week when obama and the unions signed an agreement to keep union workers and government employees from paying tax on health care plans. Theses costs will be passed on to the taxpayer. This was a late night deal that took place in the white house at 1 am. The deal that the union leaders ironed out is valid until 2018. the cost is estimated at $650,000,000.

So if you are not in the union you are pretty much screwed. Hell if you are not in some union like me you are probably unemployed.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

Well-Known Member
On Jan 11, 2010 the city of Denver unanimously passed new regulations to be enforced on cannabis dispensaries effective March 1, 2010.

The regulations will require dispensaries to obtain a special license at the cost of $2000 initially then $3000 annually for renewal. It will also impose a proximity law, stating that dispensaries can be no closer than 1000 ft. to eachother, and at least 1000 ft away from any school or day care center. Law enforcement officials will also be allowed to inspect and question dispensary owners and employees for compliance for compliance with no probable cause or warrant. Caregivers who only care for up to five patients will not be held to these standards.

In an interview posted on M3magazinelive.com Denver city council member Micheal Hancock was quoted saying " These regulations will close a majority of dispensaries in Denver, there are 390 of them right now. But the larger, more established dispensaries will have no problem with this issue and patients will still have access to their medicine."

When government bodies impose regulations on industries the main goal of said regulation is to eliminate competition in the marketplace or manufacturing sector. These regulations are motivated by special interest groups or lobbyists.

On the same website Atty. Rob Corry wrote a blog about the regulations. He stated that there is not alot that can be done when a city regulates business. It is in their power to do so. Unless some sort of coalition is formed than there is no way these regulations can be appealed.

Rob Corry has been instrumental in helping Colorado MMJ patients recieve the respect they deserve. When gov't tried to step in and mandate a 5 patients per cargiver law Rob stepped up and the patients came out on top. There are several lawyers in Colorado that have done an equal amount of work helping cannabis patients as well. These lawyers also legally represent a large number of the dispensaries in the metro area. Hence their interest in making sure dispensaries can continue serving more than five patients per.

It is my belief and fear that this is exactly what we are seeing here in Denver. There are like I said numerous lawyers with a vested interest in these dispensaries. Doctors as well. Some even have made investments in their own dispensaries. But they won't tell you that. The doctors on the other hand are out in the open about their ownership of dispensaries. With substansial capital that doctors and lawyers earn they can easily take over a market where the competition is normal everyday folks looking to get into a new business. Alot of times these individuals replenish their retirement accounts or pool together some like minded individuals to go in on a partnership.

These special interest groups work for the big time dispensaries in Denver and the motivation of these regulations is to eliminate the growing competition. They send individuals out into neighborhoods to canvas the residents to obtain their opinion on the growing medical marijuana scene. Then they convenientlly leave out all the positive feedback they receive, to make it look like there is an overwhelming negativity surrounding these businesses.
Which in turn motivates city council members whom are in bed alot of times with special interest groups to pass laws that they suggest.

We must form a coalition to rebuke these regulations. If we let government have an inch, they will take a mile. The council has already said that this is only the beginning of regulations that will be imposed on dispensaries. The rich doctors and lawyers who have a vested interest in these regulations will not be on our side this time. It is time we speak our voices and be heard.

Stay tuned this is not over, Tyrannabudz, out.:cuss:

What IS going on? Good question!

Senator Romer (D) with a def vested interest, tried to shove a 63 page bill down our throats, and Rob Corry pretty much called him on that. But Romer has already stated that he will push another new bill with fewer pages, but still some far reaching restrictions. In short: DON'T VOTE FOR IDIOTS WHO DON'T SERVE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
 

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
Look at regulations on tobacco backed by big tobacco designed to help eliminate small tobacco companies. R. J. Reynolds and Phillip Morris both backed regulation brought on by the FDA requiring cigarette manufacturers to change their labels so people would not think light cigarettes are a healthier alternative to full flavor cigarettes.

Toy manufacturers saw the same type of regulation surrounding the lead issue.
Regulations for testing of all toys for lead was mandated. Mattel was the biggest backer of this bill. the testing procedures that were adopted are the procedures that Mattel already has in place. Small toy companies will not be able to afford the changes necessary to comply with the strict regulations. Even small corner store crafters of small hand carved wooden toys sold at craft fairs and the like, will fall under this regulatory umbrella. These artisans will not be able to test their wares like required so they will be shut down.

This is is the state of our world today. It is called SOCIALISM.:cuss:
 

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
What IS going on? Good question!

Senator Romer (D) with a def vested interest, tried to shove a 63 page bill down our throats, and Rob Corry pretty much called him on that. But Romer has already stated that he will push another new bill with fewer pages, but still some far reaching restrictions. In short: DON'T VOTE FOR IDIOTS WHO DON'T SERVE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Look at the big picture. The weekend before the city council was going to vote Chris Romer dropped his bill. That is simply because he knew that there would be nothing we can do about the regulations mandated by the city council. IMO Chris Romer saw the difficulty he was having with his bill. He then turned to the city council for help in this area. Like I said, knowing that they have the legislative power to mandate the changes he seeks.
Also there is another senator planning to bring to the floor a revised version of the five patients per caregiver law in the very near future.
 

Tyrannabudz

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I'm afraid we will probably never get a politician who is out for us. Because they only run for office to gain power.

"Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely"

The whole concept of left, right , democrat, republican is all a game. Designed to make us feel like we have a voice from one side or the other. But the truth is we don't. Our votes mean nothing, the candidate who will be in power is decided long before any polls open up or votes counted. Behind closed doors these so called political enemies are colluding to bring about more despotism and socialism.
 

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
we still have a long ways to go
I am sorry my friend, the system is designed to keep us going in circles. Therefore, we will never get anywhere.
The only unfortunate solution is to start over. This is, supposedly, our country, we are the "We the people" in that document that all those Freemasons signed 234 years ago. Maybe there is something to that....hmmmm I wonder? No, I don't.
I already know. As all of you out there should as well. Because, how does that old saying go "Before you can hope to defeat your enemy you must know your enemy."
 

linsys

Well-Known Member
Unless the residents of Denver are dumb (which some are I have to admit) in spite of what the media says you can't deny the fact that there are a TON of MMJ dispensaries in the city there are like 5 within a few miles of my house its easier for me to walk to the MMJ dispensary then it is the liquor store, there are two by within walking distance from my buddie's house that are like only two store fronts apart, I would assume most are making money which in turn is generating a lot of revenue for the city/state. I can't imagine that these politicians are willing to take this large new source of revenue away and if they do the city and state govt will feel the effects big time.

This isn't about "doing the right thing" its always about money pass one of these colorado state bills that limits caregivership to 5 patients and put all the dispensaries out of business (300+) seems like a dumb idea for the money flow into this state as well as the local cities like Denver and Boulder
 

Twistedfunk

Active Member
Will this be true for the surrounding areas of Denver as well? (Lakewood specifically) Because there are a bunch around here and im not really sure when they sprouted up. Sure there is a rush at the start but the bad dispensaries will fall and the good ones will rise. If there really is too much product then people will do better business while the ones who don't die quietly. I can't imagine that these restrictions are being applied for practical or honest reasons.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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Colorado Supply/ Demand issues REAL SOON!
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I just watched a segment on 9 News about Colorado dispensaries and the number of patients. Wait till you hear this:

They said the CDPHE is backlogged with new applications for patients to the tune of 40,000 total apps. There are about 17,000 active now. Here's the BAD part:
Many counties are putting limits or moratoriums on any NEW dispensaries for over 6 months and imposing zoning violations on some existing ones.:wall:

There are over 700 dispensaries in CO right now, with 250-300 in Denver area alone. With no NEW outfits being able to open, and the number of NEW patients increasing, DEMAND will wipe out SUPPLY in no time flat. We are already seeing it.
Also, the lawmakers are still pushing that revised bill that limits caregivers to only having 5 patients! This is NOT good news, in any way, shape or form for MMJ patients. :sad:
 

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
Here is the real scoop from Mason Tvert of SAFER.

According to recent report by the Denver Post state and federal law enforcement officials have been meddling in the Colorado legislative process, in hopes of rolling back the state's progress toward safer more rational marijuana laws. As a result bills are being introduced on their behalf which threaten to shut down every medical marijuana dispensary in the state and allow these officials to continue to harass medical marijuana patients.

These officals are motivated by one thing, job security. What is even more troubling is the source of financial support banking these officials.

The Colorado Drug Investigators Assoc. (CDIA) is the group spearheading these anti-marijuana lobbying efforts. Among the sponsors of the CDIA is Starbucks coffee, Glock Handguns, and you guessed it the alcohol industry. This may seem a bit odd but when you consider the fact that their website and merchandise featur a skull motif with a helicopter and the phrase "Death on Drugs" it makes a littlle more sense. This organization is not out to protect people, they are out to fight a literal war on marijuana ensuring alcohol, the substance that contributes to the most crime and violence is the only legal recreational drug.

It is no surprise thar the arrest and prosecute industry would try to maintain the war on marijuana. But Starbucks and other companies' funding of this group to any marijuana consumer or reform supporter should be outraged.

Here is a list of the companies that support the proliferation of alcohol and contribute to the despotism that we experience as sovereign people.

Starbucks Coffee
The North Face
Enterprise rent-a-car
Embassy Suites Hotels
Sheraton Hotels and Resorts
Bubba Gump Shrimp Co.
Glock handguns
Point Blank body armor
Law Enforcement Associates
Arctic Shooting supply
Adamson Police Products
Kinsco Public Safety Equipment
Sytech Corp.
Moreno Investigations and Consulting
Pioneer Hills Liquor
The Liquid Lounge
Burke and Riley's Irish Pub
The Pizza Parlor
Trapper's Chop House
The Irish Cottage and Gift Shop
Carver's Ski, Board and Sport
Denver Athletic Club
Mountain Tees
Jackson Shirt Co.
IP Fabrics
Via Getaways
Just Book It Online
 

linsys

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Dude, this is GREAT info!! I say we start a boycott and even a website to boycott these companies.... make sure to tell all of your friends!
 

Tyrannabudz

Well-Known Member
Here is the real scoop from Mason Tvert of SAFER.

According to recent report by the Denver Post state and federal law enforcement officials have been meddling in the Colorado legislative process, in hopes of rolling back the state's progress toward safer more rational marijuana laws. As a result bills are being introduced on their behalf which threaten to shut down every medical marijuana dispensary in the state and allow these officials to continue to harass medical marijuana patients.

These officals are motivated by one thing, job security. What is even more troubling is the source of financial support banking these officials.

The Colorado Drug Investigators Assoc. (CDIA) is the group spearheading these anti-marijuana lobbying efforts. Among the sponsors of the CDIA is Starbucks coffee, Glock Handguns, and you guessed it the alcohol industry. This may seem a bit odd but when you consider the fact that their website and merchandise featur a skull motif with a helicopter and the phrase "Death on Drugs" it makes a littlle more sense. This organization is not out to protect people, they are out to fight a literal war on marijuana ensuring alcohol, the substance that contributes to the most crime and violence is the only legal recreational drug.

It is no surprise thar the arrest and prosecute industry would try to maintain the war on marijuana. But Starbucks and other companies' funding of this group to any marijuana consumer or reform supporter should be outraged.

Here is a list of the companies that support the proliferation of alcohol and contribute to the despotism that we experience as sovereign people.

Starbucks Coffee
The North Face
Enterprise rent-a-car
Embassy Suites Hotels
Sheraton Hotels and Resorts
Bubba Gump Shrimp Co.
Glock handguns
Point Blank body armor
Law Enforcement Associates
Arctic Shooting supply
Adamson Police Products
Kinsco Public Safety Equipment
Sytech Corp.
Moreno Investigations and Consulting
Pioneer Hills Liquor
The Liquid Lounge
Burke and Riley's Irish Pub
The Pizza Parlor
Trapper's Chop House
The Irish Cottage and Gift Shop
Carver's Ski, Board and Sport
Denver Athletic Club
Mountain Tees
Jackson Shirt Co.
IP Fabrics
Via Getaways
Just Book It Online
Rocky Mountain Law Enforcement Federal Credit Union

These organizations point to the proliferation of drug cartels as the reason for opposing medical marijuana and broader reform, but if the drug cartels continue to operate then so do they. In fact the worst thing for these organizations would be a system of state licensed medical marijuana producers and dispensaries. Not because it would cause harm to anyone, but because it would diminish the illegal production and distribution of marijuana.
Source: SAFER.ORG
 

john84

Active Member
According to recent report by the Denver Post state and federal law enforcement officials have been meddling in the Colorado legislative process, in hopes of rolling back the state's progress toward safer more rational marijuana laws. As a result bills are being introduced on their behalf which threaten to shut down every medical marijuana dispensary in the state and allow these officials to continue to harass medical marijuana patients.
In what way? I'm a patient but I haven't sent my records into the state. Obviously I should hold off on sending them right? What are the odds of this leading to raids on dispensaries?
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Got a link to the these bills that you're talking about? Not saying they don't exist, but I'd like to read them and see exactly what they say before I jump to any conclusions. I also have to take into consideration that at least half the time the person who put those bills up for discussion never expected them to go anywhere, they just wanted to be on record as having proposed such and such when it comes time to try and get reelected- "Sure, I introduced legislation that would have made humping buffalos illegal, but those immoral jerks in the other party blocked it from passing". :)
 
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