Who agrees SCROG is outdated and inferior to SOG?

SCROG folks are wasting time stuck in veg for very long periods of time, farting around with wire and immobile plants while SOG growers are flipping high yielding crops faster than a SCROG could ever keep up with.

For example:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88449&page=1&pp=15

Yea it's a dirt farmer with cfl's. Look past that at his yield and how fast they flip. The same and or better can be and is done with hydro and HID's.

No pro's would use a SCROG, inefficient.

Is there any other method that can beat the yield of a properly done SOG? Anything? Vertical SOG? Rotary SOG?

I guess the only real advantage would be if you were worried about plant count

Yeah. The only reason I didn't go with SOG is because I didn't want to keep those extra mothers for all those extra clones. Plus you have be cloning that much more. Although, I would agree SOG is better though cause you dont have to veg, and depending on the strain, you can fit 4 plants in a single sq. ft. Oh and the one other thing that sucks is that you can only use certain strains for SOG cause they have to grow up like a pole.

I'm guessing your a SOG grower so i got a question for ya. How many mother plants would you need to take 60 clones every month to month and a half?

Man! Talk about troll bait! LOL

But I kinda agree. (but no style fits *everyone*)

SOG gives a much faster turn over.
ScrOG needs more veg time (SOG shouldn't use *any* veg time)

But SOG is for constant perpetual grow.

ScrOG can be done as a semi perpetual grow. The extra vegging stage can be done under floros for a whole lot less $$. So 2 months of floros & 2 months of HID over 6 months of HID. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other.

It really depends on *your* needs and resources/spaces.

I sorta am growing SOG style plants but by no means am I doing it as efficiently as I should or could. I have a crappy ass setup I woudn't brag or show pictures of.

But things like this just whoop on other methods:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88449&page=1&pp=15

I know it looks like I'm trolling for an argument but no that's not the intention really, I just wanted to see if there is anyone that doesn't agree SOG is simply the way to go these days for indoor grows and nothing else beats it, not even tree's. The real reason I stated this is because I see so many are still doing scrog and I don't get why. I guess it does just boil down to the legal issues.


(not counting outdoor, just indoor methods.)

You're cool man!

The troll comment was more semi humorous based.
SOG is *it* for production.

ScrOG/LSt is kinda cool (doing one now for grins an giggles. Did a hempy last round for fun.) But a perpetual/SOG grow is still best.

(I'm semi SOG; more perpetual. I do veg for a month-ish from tiny clones, then off to flowering. I keep a micro-mother in a AG)

I try to keep a miccro mother, but she grows too much no matter what. I have her in maybe 20oz of soil and she's over 3' tall now.

You can get 60 cuttings from one mother if she's big enough, but I wouldn't take that many, maybe two mothers with 30 cuttings off each. I could probably get 20 from my baby momma.

Pardon my noobiness but what is the definition of a perpetual grow?

Clone a plant each week, veg a plant each week, put a plant in flower every week and harvest one every week.
(or similar)
That's perpetual.

But I'm not even really referring to perpetual, just a flat SOG done all at once.

Does anyone have links to better SOG journals? Hydro? SeeMorebuds style production environments.

scrog is also good for those with hieght constraints. but i agree with you in the respect that for commercial, not worried about plant numbers, or just plain production-style grows sog is the way to go.

I agree that SOG is superior because of the shorter veg time. The trade off being more plant numbers.

What do people average per plant in SOG. I've heard from 8 grams to 30grams a plant? Is 30gs realistic for a by the book SOG grow?

well ive never tried sea of green and at 20 bucks a clone im not sure i will either until i have a veg spot to make my own. but im happy with my 9 plant bubblegumscrog check it in my sig

merahoon said:

What do people average per plant in SOG. I've heard from 8 grams to 30grams a plant? Is 30gs realistic for a by the book SOG grow?

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8-30 is about right, although 30 is really high. 15-25 is pretty good. depends on your spacing, wether or not you veg at all, nutes, lights, ect...

pickleman said:

well ive never tried sea of green and at 20 bucks a clone im not sure i will either until i have a veg spot to make my own. but im happy with my 9 plant bubblegumscrog check it in my sig

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It takes like one cheap little light and space on a shelf in a closet or in a end table or kitchen cabinet or whater. Requires like a $10 -$20 investment for all you really need at the minimum. Can be cheaper than the price of a single clone.

outdated and inferior? you KNOW i'm going to have to disagree with this...

the SCROG method, is probably the newest method available... as far as i know - it was invented, and perfected on overgrow... thats where i learned about it, i studied that site up and down for years...(its a shame its gone, the strainguide would have been so beautiful by now)

Anyways, if you have height restrictions - scrog is it.

if you have a small space - scrog is it.

if you want the minimum plant numbers with maximum yields - scrog is it.

CFL, fluoro, MH, HPS, doesnt matter - scrog is it.

who wouldn't want a perfectly even canopy full of buds? you never have to worry about your whole plant, or side branches snapping because they are too heavy...

here is one of my well managed scrogs




but if you dont spend the time in there you should - it can get messy, but you still get an even canopy of buds - just a little more outta control

I'm a newbie here, but isn't a stadium style grow more efficient than a SOG?

I think High Density SOG is the way to go, SCROG is great too when worried about plant numbers but here in Cali most counties with the 6-12 plant limit I've heard can have 10sq ft of canopy or 6 mature plants... So with that I would have to go with HD SOG with 12-16 plants per square foot like DrBud taught me to do and pull 7-21g a plant cuz seeing him pull 1lb from 420w of CFL's is inspiration like a motherfucker!!! I was inspired first by his 2sq ft cab with 210w and have been able to duplicate his setup and make it work for me like he said it would... Plus harvest just tops of primo cannabis every week is wonderful!!! SCROG inferior??? nah it's a great method too but a SOG turns over more bud and when working with square ft instead of plant numbers..shit I can pack 36 of my girls in 2.5 sq ft and can fit 4 of those cabs in my 10 sq ft and lets say 7g each plant gives me 252g per cab with a total of 36oz!!! so I can pull 2lbs in 2months in 10sq ft under CFL's with a shit load of plants tho lol and yea I'm ramblin on go HD SOG!!!!

I choose to go sog over scrog so i always have the option of pulling plants out or squeezing more in, but i think a scrog is the most efficient in terms of using the light
http://74.125.115.102/translate_c?hl=en&sl=cs&u=http://grower.cz/forum/showthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D6799&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwww.grower.cz%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&usg=ALkJrhgPJk8h1jQJ3HeXWecBx8Li5OBsGQ

scrooooogggg

heres 9 plants in a 4x4 area

i can grow up to 90 in a 10x10 area if i wish