would it be a sellout Sanders to endorse Clinton?

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ThickStemz

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Sanders strikes me as a man of principal. He has pointed out and illuminated many extant problems with our current political situation, our ecconomics and the priorities we have and the way we distribute the rewards of prosperity.

Hillary Clinton is only slightly more closely alligned with his stance than are the republicans.

He will however be pressured terribly to throw his support at her as the Democatic primary is stolen from him. She only soundly beats him in places the democrats cannot win, places like Alabama.

At the end of the day though, she borders on being a neo con super friendly to wall street.

Would it be selling out for Sanders to support her after she and the party officials beat him with unelected super delegates?
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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He has no choice but to avoid a 4 way. Trump, Cruz, Sanders and Clinton would ensure a Trump victory.

Democrats don`t want that and Bernie don`t know how to use his leverage.
 
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BustinScales510 said:
She has gotten more votes than him

And double digit wins in populated swing states like Ohio and Florida
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Right now the media would have you believe that the democratic primary is over and Hillary has won.

If you take out the super delegates and remove states that the democrats have almost zero chance of winning than Sanders is beating her. I know that isn't how it's done but it's interesting to note.

She has more votes than he does because blacks in states that have no chance of voting for a democrat in the general election overwhelmingly support her.

Without the super delegates this primary would be a dead heat. Without the red states Sanders would be ahead.
 
BustinScales510

BustinScales510

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ThickStemz said:
Right now the media would have you believe that the democratic primary is over and Hillary has won.

If you take out the super delegates and remove states that the democrats have almost zero chance of winning than Sanders is beating her. I know that isn't how it's done but it's interesting to note.

She has more votes than he does because blacks in states that have no chance of voting for a democrat in the general election overwhelmingly support her.

Without the super delegates this primary would be a dead heat. Without the red states Sanders would be ahead.
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Clinton has 1243 pledged delegates to Sanders 980,that is not a dead heat. And the hypothetical scenarios are pointless because you could just also say if you take out the caucus states that have low participation compared to primary states than Sanders would be even further behind.
 
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SSHZ

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The fact is, just like the Republicans establishment does not want Trump, the Democratic establishment does not want Bernie. If the Justice Dept does go ahead with an indictment against Clinton, look for Biden or Warren to win the nomination.
 
BustinScales510

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SSHZ said:
The fact is, just like the Republicans establishment does not want Trump, the Democratic establishment does not want Bernie. If the Justice Dept does go ahead with an indictment against Clinton, look for Biden or Warren to win the nomination.
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That analogy doesnt work because Trump has racked up way more votes than the other republican candidates, but the GOP doesnt want him to get the nomination. Bernie hasnt won a majority of votes the way Trump has, so it is not the "establishment" that is blocking his path to the nomination.
 
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BustinScales510 said:
Clinton has 1243 pledged delegates to Sanders 980,that is not a dead heat. And the hypothetical scenarios are pointless because you could just also say if you take out the caucus states that have low participation compared to primary states than Sanders would be even further behind.
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The hypothetical conversation about not counting red state delegates is indeed irrelevant to who WILL win the nomination, but they're entirely relevant to who should win the nomination.

Of the 50 states only about 10 or 15 are important vis a vie which candidate wins the primary. Either Clinton or Sanders would win California and lose Texas. But it does make a difference in purple and swing states.
 
BustinScales510

BustinScales510

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ThickStemz said:
The hypothetical conversation about not counting red state delegates is indeed irrelevant to who WILL win the nomination, but they're entirely relevant to who should win the nomination.

Of the 50 states only about 10 or 15 are important vis a vie which candidate wins the primary. Either Clinton or Sanders would win California and lose Texas. But it does make a difference in purple and swing states.
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So with that logic you should also eliminate Sanders wins in solid blue states when tallying your hypothetical model for who should win.
 
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BustinScales510 said:
So with that logic you should also eliminate Sanders wins in solid blue states when tallying your hypothetical model for who should win.
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I'm not arguing on the convention stepping in and appointing Sanders. I'm not talking about what should be done at all.

I'm strictly talking about who is the better candidate.
 
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SSHZ

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BustinScales510 said:
That analogy doesnt work because Trump has racked up way more votes than the other republican candidates, but the GOP doesnt want him to get the nomination. Bernie hasnt won a majority of votes the way Trump has, so it is not the "establishment" that is blocking his path to the nomination.
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The difference is the Democratic establishment doesn't think Bernie has much of a chance at all so they aren't addressing it , but the Republican establishment knows Trump has a reasonable chance so it's "guns are a blazing"......
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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If Hillary is Indicted someone else will step in for the nomination. The Democratic party is not going to let Bernie Sanders attempt to be president.
 
Rob Roy

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Bernie has already "endorsed" Hillary's policies. He voted with her well over 90% of the time.


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Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
we don't care about your opinion, bignbushy.

no one does.
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A bit off topic but do you still consider T-Bone Jack in that sock puppet lineage ?

I'm trying to keep my files on this straight for a "since you were gone synopsis" for the new Pinworm iteration and your cooperation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Poopy Pants.
 
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Rob Roy said:
A bit off topic but do you still consider T-Bone Jack in that sock puppet lineage ?

I'm trying to keep my files on this straight for a "since you were gone synopsis" for the new Pinworm iteration and your cooperation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Poopy Pants.
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So wait... Buck accuses every new member of being bigbushy?
 
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