doublejj
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LOL!....and this from a guy who's against food labeling! .LOL!.....LOL..LOL..Oh my sides are hurting!.....lol
Yes!.....Cheerios to go non-GMO......
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TokaLot
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Haha, Your funny dont even get me started, this is why i stay away from the Politics forum!!
TokaLot
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Fact based??
Do a lil research before you open that hole you call a mouth!
There is so many articles that are up about toxic levels and cancer in rats and tumors caused from GMO.
Ill find a couple and post them for you to do a little reading.
Here is one.
http://www.naturalnews.com/037394_Monsanto_Roundup_cancer_study.html#
Here is another one, yes they did other reports on this one and said they couldnt find a complete yes or no answer.
http://www.businessinsider.com/monsantos-roundup-and-resistant-corn-found-to-be-toxic-2012-9
Do a lil research before you open that hole you call a mouth!
There is so many articles that are up about toxic levels and cancer in rats and tumors caused from GMO.
Ill find a couple and post them for you to do a little reading.
Here is one.
http://www.naturalnews.com/037394_Monsanto_Roundup_cancer_study.html#
Here is another one, yes they did other reports on this one and said they couldnt find a complete yes or no answer.
http://www.businessinsider.com/monsantos-roundup-and-resistant-corn-found-to-be-toxic-2012-9
Doer
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Hmmm....spew.....you may not realize, I am typing and nose breathing. I don't have to open my mouth for this.
Yet, you can insert a virtual foot in yours.
I bled for the Cause, at Monsanto's doorstep, not just talked about it. I know and DO.
What have you done besides jabber?
Yet, you can insert a virtual foot in yours.
I bled for the Cause, at Monsanto's doorstep, not just talked about it. I know and DO.
What have you done besides jabber?
NLXSK1
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The stranglehold?
You plant shit in the ground and it grows. Monsanto hardly has a stranglehold on food production.
Take your own advice. The study mentioned in your articles was so heavily criticized by other scientists that the publishing journal retracted it. The researcher used rats that are highly prone to getting cancer over their two year lifespan. How prone? One study says 80% of males and 70% of females under normal circumstances. How long did the researcher study the rats? For two years. He could have done anything he wanted to them and almost all of the rats would have gotten cancer anyway. This isn't the only problem with the study either, there are many others.
Instead it has hundreds of thousands of eager customers who come back year after year.
Dr Kynes
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and to my knowledge the only ONE ever to lose to monsanto over GMO seeds (in specific) was a clown who was deliberately growing their roundup-ready soya for sale as seedstock for his own profit, despite a contract with monsanto that he signed.
learn to read what i wrote instead of making up your own narrative, and citing random shit from eco-left websites.
TokaLot
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Lol well at least you read them. I stated that they couldnt find a definite answer to that article. Your pointing something out i Obviously read!
What do you have to say about the Article above the one?
All i have to say is good luck eat away the less ppl the better!!
Which article is that? Both of the links you posted are talking about the same retracted study.
Dr Kynes
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i DO have knowledge of the subject, and i watch it closely. ag is my business
when the stories of corporate agents taking samples of random stranger's crops started popping up, i dug deeper. it was BULLSHIT.
the fabulous tales of "Organic" farms being shut down by monsanto's legal trickery are also BULLSHIT.
there has been one major trial regarding monsanto taking samples of a crop, and suing (and winning) a farmer for fraudulent use of their cultivars, and it was NOT a result of wind blown pollen, seeds falling off a truck, or some other happenstance, he was deliberately growing Roundup Ready soya for sale as seedstock to others for his own profit, despite his contract.
thats it, one guy who WAS ripping monsanto off, and all the other claims are vague unsubstantiated rumours or outright lies.
if you got links to other cases where monsanto sued (and won) over their GMO cultivars being grown outside a contract, or for "wind blown pollen" or anything else, post it, not links to Natural News dot Com or huffington post's vague bullshit allegations.
TokaLot
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If you Keep reading its not just tumors its Liver problems, Kidney Problems!
Are you gonna tell me those Rats have high rate of those as well no!
Even More so if they did those test with Rats with high Tumor rates then what will it do to ppl with high tumor rates?
Lets just make it look like im the idiot and bad guy here tho guys and gals!
IM NOT OUT TO KILL YOU!!!
http://www.enveurope.com/content/23/1/10
Results
Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters).
Conclusions
The 90-day-long tests are insufficient to evaluate chronic toxicity, and the signs highlighted in the kidneys and livers could be the onset of chronic diseases. However, no minimal length for the tests is yet obligatory for any of the GMOs cultivated on a large scale, and this is socially unacceptable in terms of consumer health protection. We are suggesting that the studies should be improved and prolonged, as well as being made compulsory, and that the sexual hormones should be assessed too, and moreover, reproductive and multigenerational studies ought to be conducted too.
Are you gonna tell me those Rats have high rate of those as well no!
Even More so if they did those test with Rats with high Tumor rates then what will it do to ppl with high tumor rates?
Lets just make it look like im the idiot and bad guy here tho guys and gals!
IM NOT OUT TO KILL YOU!!!
http://www.enveurope.com/content/23/1/10
Results
Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters).
Conclusions
The 90-day-long tests are insufficient to evaluate chronic toxicity, and the signs highlighted in the kidneys and livers could be the onset of chronic diseases. However, no minimal length for the tests is yet obligatory for any of the GMOs cultivated on a large scale, and this is socially unacceptable in terms of consumer health protection. We are suggesting that the studies should be improved and prolonged, as well as being made compulsory, and that the sexual hormones should be assessed too, and moreover, reproductive and multigenerational studies ought to be conducted too.
Dr Kynes
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The "study" cited was rife with bad science. even the rats used were in fact Onco-rats, rats which were in fact GMO's themselves, genetically modified to make them highly prone to cancers of all sorts.
The "researcher" himself is a discredited quack with a degree in "Aromatherapy" not medicine, oncology, microbiology or even geography.
Also, posting in constant bold, oversized typeface or other such gimmickery is considered rude.
TokaLot
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If you go back and look at every post i have ever made on this site its always bold so i apologize if im offending you.
I also have never posted in oversized except for that last post!
This is just how i write!
Dont worry im done here. Some ppl are narrow minded and cant see the bigger picture!
I also have never posted in oversized except for that last post!
This is just how i write!
Dont worry im done here. Some ppl are narrow minded and cant see the bigger picture!
Dr Kynes
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more misleading bullshit.
the claims above are related to ONE particular type of GMO, and thats BT crops (not yet approved for use, not even as livestock feed), not all GMO crops or cultivars.
one type of experimental application which looks like it's a failure does not turn the entire area of research into a failure.
if that's how science was done we would still be huddled in caves, without even Fire for company.
