Dr Kynes
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the anti-gmo sentiment is not based on facts, it's all about FEELINGS.
BT food crops give me concerns, but all the rest of the wildeyed ravings about the "hazards" of GMO's is ridiculous fearmongering.
Yes!.....Cheerios to go non-GMO......
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BT food crops give me concerns, but all the rest of the wildeyed ravings about the "hazards" of GMO's is ridiculous fearmongering.
UncleBuck
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leave it to the resident "doctor" who cites spencer and rushton to talk about the fact/feeling distinction.
i always get a little bit of an erection when a company with a not so great history of honesty wants us to just trust them as they change the food supply as we know it.
not to mention the government subsidies offered to massive agricorps who mass produce this GMO crap that gets turned into high fructose corn syrup to be drizzled on 90% of the products in the market, rather than the small family farm growing organic wares.
every time you choose to vote for GMO with your wallet (a thin one in kynes' case) for government welfare to farmers like modrama, they pay welfare queens like modrama millions just to let their fields lay fallow, or to put a price floor on their shitty, inedible GMO corn that we turn into high fructose corn syrup.
thank you for your hackish defense of such.
kpmarine
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Buck, you're not dumb. Post proof of the conspiracy, or gtfo. You know the general rules of discussion around here.
doublejj
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I never said I thought GMO's were bad for you. My issue with GMO is Monsanto's heavy handed enforcement tactics. I'm not afraid to eat GMO's, I just choose not to. I fully understand it took years to get into this GMO mess, & it will take years to get rid of it. I'm a firm believer in "Constant pressure, relentlessly applied, will achieve the desired result". I tell my grocer, every time I see them "More non-GMO's please" & I see more & more companies succumbing to the pressure every day. Finally, General Mills has seen the light! NON-GMO Cheerios, is a huge victory in the fight against GMO....
Doer
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I checked. I have both MON and GIS. Both are fine dividend payers. Let the GMO games begin.I never said I thought GMO's were bad for you. My issue with GMO is Monsanto's heavy handed enforcement tactics. I'm not afraid to eat GMO's, I just choose not to. I fully understand is took years to get into this GMO mess, & it will take years to get rid of it. I'm a firm believer in "Constant pressure, relentlessly applied, will achieve the desired result". I tell my grocer, every time I see them "More non-GMO's please" & I see more & more companies succumbing to the pressure every day. Now General Mills has seen the light! This is a huge victory in the fight against GMO....
desert dude
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DoubleJJ posted a photo of his chosen cereal. It looks like he has the labeling he desires. If producers see a market to exploit (Organic... no GMOs...) they will go after it. DoubleJJ is proof of that.
There is nothing to stop any producer of any ag product from focusing on the non-GMO market, but the hand wringers insist instead that "everybody else has to cater to their superstitions".
doublejj
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Just put it on the label.....thank you
P.S. Ill even pay more for the ink to print "NonGMO"
desert dude
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You already do. You posted the picture to prove it. That is your right. Your money, your decision.
doublejj
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doublejj
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BTW, while I was at the Natural Foods Coop buying my organic non-gmo cheerios, the clerk told me that soon they would be moving into their new store that's 3 times the size, because they ran out of room on the shelves for all the new NON-GMO products arriving daily. I told them thank you, & "I'll be back"......
canndo
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The evidence mounts, but those who fancy themselves as real - macho men, the ones who scoff at vegitarians and vegans are perfectly willing to eat GMO foods with gusto, oh, and they are the same ones who claim that they take responsiblity for their own health. So, in short, they claim to be "taking care of themselves", contrary to the unwashed masses who want "free medical care" while obviously stuffing their face with crap. But these self righteous don't even know what the hell they are eating and claim that everything is ok because a company with a terrible track record told them that the food they are given is just fine. Yeah, it all makes huge sense. "but the marlboro man said they help my digestion..... what the hell happened?
Dr Kynes
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textbook transference.
you accuse everyone who disagrees with your superstitious fear of GMO's (and any other leftist strawman which pops up) of being "scoffers" hypocrites and fools, while you hypocritically scoff at their position while embracing every foolish idiotic narrative you are given by the left.
Classic Schmoesby.
desert dude
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I was thinking the same thing, but just too tired to point it out. Not that it will do a bit of good.
UncleBuck
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what conspiracy? i just said all the facts aren't in yet. that's not conspiratorial.
Canna Sylvan
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This makes me feel you're actually a type 9 Peacemaker not your usual type 6 Loyalist.
Doer
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This is typical. Since you can't win a debate by shrill emotion tampering, the liberal immediately turns to scorn and insult. He tells, made up, exaggerations of what is suppose to be shame, I guess. Drag out some stupid stereotypes to make a non-point. Just substitute shrill with insults and try that. Such a base pattern we see all over Liberal Land.
But, these are people that want us to believe they would not go after our families to make us see THEIR way. But, they do. All children are bombarded with anti-Constitutional messaging these days. Patriots are spat on again. Self reliance is laughed at, like the Ducks, but sometimes we get to laugh back.
desert dude
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Personally, BT does not worry me at all because I am not an insect in the larval stage:
No complaints were made after eighteen humans ate one gram (g) of commercial B.t. preparation daily for five days, on alternate days. Some inhaled 100 milligrams (mg) of the powder daily, in addition to the dietary dosage (6). Humans who ate one g/day of B.t.k. for three consecutive days were not poisoned or infected (12).
Since it was one of the first biological control agents registered for use against insects in the U.S., B.t. had to undergo a testing program which was more thorough than that which the EPA currently requires for biological pesticides. As a result, there are no data gaps in the toxicity information required by the EPA for registration purposes. A wide range of studies have been conducted on test animals, using several routes of exposure. (The highest dose tested was 6.7 x 10 to the 11th spores per animal.) The results of these tests suggest that the use of B.t. products can cause few, if any, negative effects. B.t. did not have acute toxicity in other tests conducted on birds, dogs, guinea pigs, mice, rats, humans, or other animals. When rats were injected with B.t.k., no toxic or virus- like effects were seen. No oral toxicity was found in rats, mice or Japanese quail fed protein crystals from B.t. var. israelensis (19).
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/24d-captan/bt-ext.html