Global Warming is a Myth, Rush Limbaugh said so!!!

canndo

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And I'm not.
I favor leaving out the many political components involved AGW.


PRINCETON, NJ (January 3, 2011)—S. Fred Singer said in an (NAS) that “the number of skeptical qualified scientists has been growing steadily; I would guess it is about 40% now.”

Singer, a leading scientific skeptic of anthropocentric global warming (AGW), is an atmospheric physicist, and founder of the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), an organization that began challenging the published findings of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in the 1990s. SEPP established the Leipzig Declaration, a statement of dissent from the 1997 Kyoto Protocol that has been signed by over one hundred scientists and meteorologists.
Asked what he would like to see happen in regard to public opinion and policy on climate change, Singer replied,
I would like to see the public look upon global warming as just another scientific controversy and oppose any public policies until the major issues are settled, such as the cause. If mostly natural, as NIPCC concludes, then the public policies currently discussed are pointless, hugely expensive, and wasteful of resources that could better be applied to real societal problems.



http://www.nas.org/articles/Estimated_40_Percent_of_Scientists_Doubt_Manmade_Global_Warming

"... S. Fred Singer, acknowledged during a 1994 appearance on the television program Nightline that he had received funding from Exxon, Shell, Unocal and ARCO. He did not deny receiving funding on a number of occasions from the Rev. Sun Myung Moon."

SEPP's position on global warming claims: "Without firm evidence that an appreciable warming will occur as a result of human activities, or that its consequences would be harmful, there can be no justification for bureaucratic remedies or any action beyond a "no-regrets" policy of energy efficiency and market-based conservation" (http://www.sepp.org/keyissue.html). Other issues of concern include ozone depletion and "regulatory excess." SEPP was the author of the Leipzig Declaration, which was supposedly based on the "scientfic" conclusions drawn from a November 1995 conference in Leipzig, Germany, which SEPP organized with the European Academy for Environmental Affairs. SEPP publicly used the Declaration to suggest there is little scientific consensus on global warming. According to P.R. Watch, news reporters discovered that in the end, twenty-five of the signers were TV weathermen - a profession that requires no in-depth knowledge of climate research. Other signers included a dentist, a medical laboratory researcher, a civil engineer, and an amateur meteorologist. Of the 33 European signers, four of them could not be located, 12 denied ever having signed, and some had not even heard of the Leipzig Declaration. After discounting the signers whose credentials were inflated, irrelevant, false, or unverifiable, it turned out that only 20 of the names on the list had any scientific connection with the study of climate change (paraphrased from http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Leipzig_Declaration_on_Global_Climate_Change).

This is your idea of leaving it to the scientists to debate is it?
 

canndo

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What is a scientist anyway???

Someone who has been taught the scientific principal and critical thinking??

Why are scientist somehow enshrined as people who know more than anyone else?

It is the same as the bullshit brainwashing people are being put through.

The government has convinced us you cannot trust your neighbor to be able to take care of himself unless he works for the government. Then somehow he is a genius who can fix all problems.
So it has finally worked - the right has managed to reduce all experts to the level of the common man. No one can know more than anyone else, no one is an authority. how very convenient for FOX news and the radiocons. Finally, Rush Limbaugh can be just as proficient and capable as any scientist. Strangely though, he claims that he is the best in his business with talent on loan from God.
 

NLXSK1

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So it has finally worked - the right has managed to reduce all experts to the level of the common man. No one can know more than anyone else, no one is an authority. how very convenient for FOX news and the radiocons. Finally, Rush Limbaugh can be just as proficient and capable as any scientist. Strangely though, he claims that he is the best in his business with talent on loan from God.
I am not saying no one is an authority. I am saying that they all have different degrees of knowledge and different agenda's like every human. I am sure there are a few brilliant scientist, some good scientists and a bunch of mediocre scientists. However, being a scientist does not give you access to data not available to other people. They are not gods...

The politicians want to tell you what a supposedly majority of scientist think while ignoring the entire scientific method while they do it. And you dont even see that they are doing it... LOL!!! Science by concensus has worked really well in the past. At one point they were damn sure the earth was the center of the universe, it was flat and the sun rotated around it. People who argued were ridiculed, put in jail, beaten and murdered. Times have not changed much...
 

canndo

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I am not saying no one is an authority. I am saying that they all have different degrees of knowledge and different agenda's like every human. I am sure there are a few brilliant scientist, some good scientists and a bunch of mediocre scientists. However, being a scientist does not give you access to data not available to other people. They are not gods...

The politicians want to tell you what a supposedly majority of scientist think while ignoring the entire scientific method while they do it. And you dont even see that they are doing it... LOL!!! Science by concensus has worked really well in the past. At one point they were damn sure the earth was the center of the universe, it was flat and the sun rotated around it. People who argued were ridiculed, put in jail, beaten and murdered. Times have not changed much...

There is a process called Peer review that tends to have science be self correcting. Not so in any other area of human endeavor that I can think of. This is what makes scientists more dependable over the long run than other groups. And this is why so many Americans tend to disbelieve science "because they change their minds so much, I mean how can you believe anything they say?"
 

Doer

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According to;
Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
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Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
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National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Biology, UK
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences


Global warming is real.
Good one. List all the organizations that are set to receive $$BILLIONS. What you prove is people will agree to anything if it looks like it will fill their rice bowl.

But, that has been a known fact, since the dawn of time.

These are the very few that even claim there is a consensus. A very short list. And all Rice Bowl.


  • American Association for the Advancement of Science, 2006: "The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the Joint National Academies' statement."[SUP][34][/SUP]
  • US National Academy of Sciences: "In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. ... On climate change, [the National Academies’ reports] have assessed consensus findings on the science..."[SUP][121][/SUP]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2005: "We recognise the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[SUP][122][/SUP]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2001: "The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognise IPCC as the world’s most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus."[SUP][28][/SUP]
  • American Meteorological Society, 2003: "The nature of science is such that there is rarely total agreement among scientists. Individual scientific statements and papers—the validity of some of which has yet to be assessed adequately—can be exploited in the policy debate and can leave the impression that the scientific community is sharply divided on issues where there is, in reality, a strong scientific consensus.... IPCC assessment reports are prepared at approximately five-year intervals by a large international group of experts who represent the broad range of expertise and perspectives relevant to the issues. The reports strive to reflect a consensus evaluation of the results of the full body of peer-reviewed research.... They provide an analysis of what is known and not known, the degree of consensus, and some indication of the degree of confidence that can be placed on the various statements and conclusions."[SUP][123][/SUP]
  • Network of African Science Academies: “A consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change.”[SUP][31][/SUP]
  • International Union for Quaternary Research, 2008: "INQUA recognizes the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[SUP][73][/SUP]
  • Australian Coral Reef Society,[SUP][124][/SUP] 2006: "There is almost total consensus among experts that the earth’s climate is changing as a result of the build-up of greenhouse gases.... There is broad scientific consensus that coral reefs are heavily affected by the activities of man and there are significant global influences that can make reefs more vulnerable such as global warming...."[SUP][125][/SUP]

Hold on there is more. Why hide behind these politcal organizations? There are famous guys that are not in agreement with the politics and the steamroll.


.......the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.



[SUP]
.....warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.
[/SUP]

  • Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [SUP][17][/SUP]

.....no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.



......rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for human society and/or the Earth's environment.



So, if you think this AGW claim is a proven fact, the fact is you are in a Religion.
 

NLXSK1

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There is a process called Peer review that tends to have science be self correcting. Not so in any other area of human endeavor that I can think of. This is what makes scientists more dependable over the long run than other groups. And this is why so many Americans tend to disbelieve science "because they change their minds so much, I mean how can you believe anything they say?"
Scientists are dependable about what???

You just agreed they change their minds a lot. Is that your definition of dependable?

My point is and continues to be that scientists who rule by consensus and declare conclusions their own mathematical models cannot prove are politically motivated and financially motivated and are not pursuing pure science.

The global warming scientists cannot prove their theories yet somehow we are supposed to jump right over that to their conclusion and thus begin a huge wealth transfer between countries.

If you want to believe that man is causing global warming that is your right. If you want to take food off my family's table to pay for some crackpot scheme to cool the earth by a fraction of a degree over a hundred years then you are crossing over into my rights.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Just joshing about hot/cold air
The problem is that Washington DC is growing. The hot air the politicians put out can no longer be compensated for by the newly coined polar vortex...

If we moved all the politicians to Antarctica maybe that would help... Now that would be something I would be willing to try ;]
 

DMTER

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being a scientist does not give you access to data not available to other people. They are not gods...
Actually in a very real way they do, they have different logical approaches to data sets that most of us normal folk have yet to develop...in a sense they do have access to data that is not available to other people based on the way they interpret and approach the data

Scientists are not god/s, but they do one thing god/s can't....change and we all know the only constant in life.....
 

Doer

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Actually in a very real way they do, they have different logical approaches to data sets that most of us normal folk have yet to develop...in a sense they do have access to data that is not available to other people based on the way they interpret and approach the data

Scientists are not god/s, but they do one thing god/s can't....change and we all know the only constant in life.....
That is right. Science will stick to the Method, but scientists can sell out for $$ at any point and they do. Carl Sagen was a deep field astronomer just following fame and fortune.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Good one. List all the organizations that are set to receive $$BILLIONS. What you prove is people will agree to anything if it looks like it will fill their rice bowl.

But, that has been a known fact, since the dawn of time.

These are the very few that even claim there is a consensus. A very short list. And all Rice Bowl.


  • American Association for the Advancement of Science, 2006: "The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the Joint National Academies' statement."[SUP][34][/SUP]
  • US National Academy of Sciences: "In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. ... On climate change, [the National Academies’ reports] have assessed consensus findings on the science..."[SUP][121][/SUP]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2005: "We recognise the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[SUP][122][/SUP]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2001: "The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognise IPCC as the world’s most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus."[SUP][28][/SUP]
  • American Meteorological Society, 2003: "The nature of science is such that there is rarely total agreement among scientists. Individual scientific statements and papers—the validity of some of which has yet to be assessed adequately—can be exploited in the policy debate and can leave the impression that the scientific community is sharply divided on issues where there is, in reality, a strong scientific consensus.... IPCC assessment reports are prepared at approximately five-year intervals by a large international group of experts who represent the broad range of expertise and perspectives relevant to the issues. The reports strive to reflect a consensus evaluation of the results of the full body of peer-reviewed research.... They provide an analysis of what is known and not known, the degree of consensus, and some indication of the degree of confidence that can be placed on the various statements and conclusions."[SUP][123][/SUP]
  • Network of African Science Academies: “A consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change.”[SUP][31][/SUP]
  • International Union for Quaternary Research, 2008: "INQUA recognizes the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[SUP][73][/SUP]
  • Australian Coral Reef Society,[SUP][124][/SUP] 2006: "There is almost total consensus among experts that the earth’s climate is changing as a result of the build-up of greenhouse gases.... There is broad scientific consensus that coral reefs are heavily affected by the activities of man and there are significant global influences that can make reefs more vulnerable such as global warming...."[SUP][125][/SUP]

Hold on there is more. Why hide behind these politcal organizations? There are famous guys that are not in agreement with the politics and the steamroll.


.......the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.



[SUP]
.....warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.
[/SUP]

  • Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [SUP][17][/SUP]

.....no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.



......rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for human society and/or the Earth's environment.



So, if you think this AGW claim is a proven fact, the fact is you are in a Religion.
Really? you are claiming that all these scientists have but one motivation - money? And so money or the prospect of money is the operating factor for lies and mis information? Is that your claim? If it is, then we can measure a lie by how much that lie can profit the lier. Now, how much do energy producers and industry that depends upon the energy status quo stand to gain by sustaining that status quo? Billions? no, try Trillions. By your logic, the ones who stand to gain trillions have far more motivation to lie.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Good one. List all the organizations that are set to receive $$BILLIONS. What you prove is people will agree to anything if it looks like it will fill their rice bowl.

But, that has been a known fact, since the dawn of time.

These are the very few that even claim there is a consensus. A very short list. And all Rice Bowl.


  • American Association for the Advancement of Science, 2006: "The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the Joint National Academies' statement."[SUP][34][/SUP]
  • US National Academy of Sciences: "In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. ... On climate change, [the National Academies’ reports] have assessed consensus findings on the science..."[SUP][121][/SUP]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2005: "We recognise the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[SUP][122][/SUP]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2001: "The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognise IPCC as the world’s most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus."[SUP][28][/SUP]
  • American Meteorological Society, 2003: "The nature of science is such that there is rarely total agreement among scientists. Individual scientific statements and papers—the validity of some of which has yet to be assessed adequately—can be exploited in the policy debate and can leave the impression that the scientific community is sharply divided on issues where there is, in reality, a strong scientific consensus.... IPCC assessment reports are prepared at approximately five-year intervals by a large international group of experts who represent the broad range of expertise and perspectives relevant to the issues. The reports strive to reflect a consensus evaluation of the results of the full body of peer-reviewed research.... They provide an analysis of what is known and not known, the degree of consensus, and some indication of the degree of confidence that can be placed on the various statements and conclusions."[SUP][123][/SUP]
  • Network of African Science Academies: “A consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change.”[SUP][31][/SUP]
  • International Union for Quaternary Research, 2008: "INQUA recognizes the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[SUP][73][/SUP]
  • Australian Coral Reef Society,[SUP][124][/SUP] 2006: "There is almost total consensus among experts that the earth’s climate is changing as a result of the build-up of greenhouse gases.... There is broad scientific consensus that coral reefs are heavily affected by the activities of man and there are significant global influences that can make reefs more vulnerable such as global warming...."[SUP][125][/SUP]

Hold on there is more. Why hide behind these politcal organizations? There are famous guys that are not in agreement with the politics and the steamroll.


.......the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.



[SUP]
.....warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities.
[/SUP]

  • Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [SUP][17][/SUP]

.....no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.



......rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for human society and/or the Earth's environment.



So, if you think this AGW claim is a proven fact, the fact is you are in a Religion.
Really? you are claiming that all these scientists have but one motivation - money? And so money or the prospect of money is the operating factor for lies and mis information? Is that your claim? If it is, then we can measure a lie by how much that lie can profit the lier. Now, how much do energy producers and industry that depends upon the energy status quo stand to gain by sustaining that status quo? Billions? no, try Trillions. By your logic, the ones who stand to gain trillions have far more motivation to lie.
 

kinddiesel

Well-Known Member
guys and ladies . go watch a movie called ( the day after tomorrow ) very good movie. this is what is happing now.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Really? you are claiming that all these scientists have but one motivation - money? And so money or the prospect of money is the operating factor for lies and mis information? Is that your claim? If it is, then we can measure a lie by how much that lie can profit the lier. Now, how much do energy producers and industry that depends upon the energy status quo stand to gain by sustaining that status quo? Billions? no, try Trillions. By your logic, the ones who stand to gain trillions have far more motivation to lie.
Because one group has a motivation to lie but scientists do not do the same??

Here is the issue Cannado. THEY DONT KNOW!!! The scientists do no know the answer so to accuse them of lying is a bit much. However, if there is no crisis there is no demand for science and no paychecks. If you try to remove the human factor from scientists you are obviously going to reach a fallacious conclusion.
 

Doer

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Really? you are claiming that all these scientists have but one motivation - money? And so money or the prospect of money is the operating factor for lies and mis information? Is that your claim? If it is, then we can measure a lie by how much that lie can profit the lier. Now, how much do energy producers and industry that depends upon the energy status quo stand to gain by sustaining that status quo? Billions? no, try Trillions. By your logic, the ones who stand to gain trillions have far more motivation to lie.
There was not a single person named in FOR col. The FOR is a list of Political orgs. I list the people names I could find that say, no way is there a consensus.

And when I look closer at the Orgs in list, there are only a few that will take the official position there is a consensus. So, on the list of Consensus provided by Beef, they will not say, they are in a consensus. That is actually a reserved key word. Consensus. A poll does not indicate scientific consensus nor does an article review. A few of these political orgs are in a consensus....only a few.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Because one group has a motivation to lie but scientists do not do the same??

Here is the issue Cannado. THEY DONT KNOW!!! The scientists do no know the answer so to accuse them of lying is a bit much. However, if there is no crisis there is no demand for science and no paychecks. If you try to remove the human factor from scientists you are obviously going to reach a fallacious conclusion.

Not what I said. I said if scientists are motivated by billions then surely, industry is MORE motivated... by trillions. No one knows, knowing is for religious fanatics. But there is enough evidence to highly suspect. By the time we "know", if what is "known" happens to be that we are causing global warming, it will be too late. We also don't "know" that doing things to reduce emissions will cause global economic collapse, now do we? But the nay sayers claim this to be a certainty.
 

DMTER

Well-Known Member
That is right. Science will stick to the Method, but scientists can sell out for $$ at any point and they do. Carl Sagen was a deep field astronomer just following fame and fortune.
Yes and climate scientist are selling out to hippies and not exxon right?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Because one group has a motivation to lie but scientists do not do the same??

Here is the issue Cannado. THEY DONT KNOW!!! The scientists do no know the answer so to accuse them of lying is a bit much. However, if there is no crisis there is no demand for science and no paychecks. If you try to remove the human factor from scientists you are obviously going to reach a fallacious conclusion.
you said forest fires cause global cooling.

you have no reason to be here discussing your idiotic views.
 

UncleBuck

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There was not a single person named in FOR col. The FOR is a list of Political orgs. I list the people names I could find that say, no way is there a consensus.

And when I look closer at the Orgs in list, there are only a few that will take the official position there is a consensus. So, on the list of Consensus provided by Beef, they will not say, they are in a consensus. That is actually a reserved key word. Consensus. A poll does not indicate scientific consensus nor does an article review. A few of these political orgs are in a consensus....only a few.
need i remind everyone that you were an adherent of the hackish and moronic skewed polls theory?

only the most easily duped of right wing retards fell for that shit. you, beenthere, NLXSK1, and muyloco all took the bait hook, like, and sinker.

in other words, you 4 are idiots who can not make sense of even the simplest data.

given that knowledge, why should we trust a thing you have to say about much more complex data? especially when you cite roy spencer, the evangelical creationist, and then accuse us of religion?

for fuck sake, just give it up. you're an idiot and you have been duped into arguing against the vast and overwhelming consensus of science.
 

Flaming Pie

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What is a scientist anyway???

Someone who has been taught the scientific principal and critical thinking??

Why are scientist somehow enshrined as people who know more than anyone else?

It is the same as the bullshit brainwashing people are being put through.

The government has convinced us you cannot trust your neighbor to be able to take care of himself unless he works for the government. Then somehow he is a genius who can fix all problems.
:wall:

^ You must do that daily.
 
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