Red1966
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All of them will be reduced to some. Some will be reduced to all. Your father won't get that pacemaker he needs, but he'll get free birth control.
And now it begins - Obamacare a very slow payer.
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Are those statistics from the same government that claimed that Obamacare would create jobs, bring down healthcare costs for each family by $2,500 and would pay down the debt?
UncleBuck
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will burn wards still continue operating?
Red1966
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You don't know it's 2014? First eight months THREE YEARS AGO indeed.
ChesusRice
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We can go around and round all night.
You cannot show any cuts to benefits or services. I can and have shown savings.
You are just a blowhard
You cannot show any cuts to benefits or services. I can and have shown savings.
You are just a blowhard
ChesusRice
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How come the same 700 billion wasnt a bad Idea when the Republicans Initially proposed the same cuts?
Says Paul Ryan's budget relies on the same $700 billion in savings from Medicare that Mitt Romney and other Republicans have been attacking Democrats about.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/stephanie-cutter/ryans-plan-includes-700-billion-medicare-cuts-says/
$700 billion in Medicare cuts?
Because we’re wonks ourselves at PolitiFact, our ears pricked up at the claim in recent days that Obama cut $700 billion out of Medicare. Just a few weeks ago, the oft-cited number was $500 billion. How did he manage to cut another $200 billion when no one was looking?
Well, there are cuts and then there are CUTS. Neither Obama nor his health care law literally "cut" a dollar from the Medicare program’s budget.
Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to reduce the growth of Medicare costs. At the time the law was passed, those reductions amounted to $500 billion over the next 10 years.
What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.
Hospitals, too, will be paid less if they have too many re-admissions, or if they fail to meet other new benchmarks for patient care.
Still, the overall Medicare budget is projected to go up for the foreseeable future. The health care law tries to limit that growth, making it less than it would have been without the law, but not reducing its overall budget. So claims that Obama would "cut" Medicare need more explanation to be fully accurate. In the past, we’ve rated similar statements Half True or Mostly False, depending on the wording and context.
Because Medicare spending gets bigger every year, the cost-saving mechanisms in the health care law also get bigger. Also, it takes a few years for the health care law’s savings mechanisms to kick in. In fact, the effects of time are the main reason the $500 billion number has turned into $700 billion.
The CBO determined in 2011 that the federal health care law would reduce Medicare outlays by $507 billion between 2012 and 2021. In a more recent estimate released this year, the CBO looked at the years 2013 to 2022 and determined the health care law affected Medicare outlays by $716 billion.
ChesusRice
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Ryan pushing grandma down the stairs was his other "great" (quotations used to denote sarcasm)
Where the Goverment gives you a voucher to go buy insurance on the free market
"And Gov. Romney and his running mate have a different plan. They want to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That means seniors would no longer have the guarantee of Medicare -- they’d get a voucher to buy private insurance. And if it doesn’t keep up with costs, well, that’s the seniors' problem. It was estimated that Gov. Romney's running mate, his original plan would force seniors to pay an extra $6,400 a year."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/16/barack-obama/does-paul-ryan-want-turn-medicare-voucher-program/
ChesusRice
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Actually a neat trick is how you ignore anything factual when presented
ChesusRice
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You realize you supported obamas medicare "cuts" when Republian was calling for them
UncleBuck
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actually, the election in which you gleefully rooted for romney and ryan occurred barely over one year ago, not two years ago.
UncleBuck
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as i recall, you were rooting for the guy pushing grandma off a cliff.
by the way, obama never proposed turning medicare into a voucher, like paul ryan did. that's what spurred that little bit of theatrics (not ryan's own $700 billion cut to medicare, which you were all for).
NLXSK1
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He was voting for a guy portrayed as pushing grandma off a cliff in a propaganda ad.
Not surprising you believed it...
UncleBuck
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you are not one who should be talking about surprising beliefs, mr. forest-fires-cause-global-cooling.
Red1966
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No, I didn't.
ChesusRice
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You did when you supported Romney /Ryan
Here’s what Ryan said in an interview with George Stephanopolous of ABC News in June, before his selection as Romney’s running mate:
Stephanopoulos: "You know, several independent fact-checkers have taken a look at that claim, the $500 billion in Medicare cuts, and said that it's misleading. And in fact, by that accounting, your budget, your own budget, which Gov. Romney has endorsed, would also have $500 billion in Medicare cuts.
Ryan: "Well, our budget keeps that money for Medicare to extend its solvency. What Obamacare does is it takes that money from Medicare to spend on Obamacare. ..." (Read the full exchange.)
So Ryan has confirmed his budget includes the Medicare savings.
The Romney campaign got questions on this point the day after Cutter’s remarks, and issued a statement saying that Romney intended to fully repeal the federal law, including the savings for Medicare.
"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have always been fully committed to repealing Obamacare, ending President Obama’s $716 billion raid on Medicare, and tackling the serious fiscal challenges our country faces," said Lanhee Chen, Romney’s policy director, in a statement reported by NBC News. "A Romney-Ryan administration will restore the funding to Medicare, ensure that no changes are made to the program for those 55 or older, and implement the reforms that they have proposed to strengthen it for future generations."
Cutter, though, was talking about the Ryan budget. We should point out that the Ryan budget is a congressional resolution that doesn’t have the force of law. And its plan for Medicare hasn’t been turned into legislation that could be analyzed in detail by the Congressional Budget Office.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/stephanie-cutter/ryans-plan-includes-700-billion-medicare-cuts-says/
Red1966
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I never supported Romney/Ryan. By your own quote, Ryan's budget "keeps that money for Medicare" and Obamacare "takes that money from Medicare to spend on Obamacare". You have defeated your own claim that no money was taken from Medicare. Your claim that "So Ryan has confirmed his budget includes the Medicare savings." is false in that it pretends ACA's Medicare funding cuts and transfer to ACA are the same as Ryan's supposed savings. The funds are being spent on programs it was not collected for. You can't save money you have spent. All your double-speak doesn't change that.
ChesusRice
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My own link you didn't even read?
Well, there are cuts and then there are CUTS. Neither Obama nor his health care law literally "cut" a dollar from the Medicare program’s budget.
Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to reduce the growth of Medicare costs. At the time the law was passed, those reductions amounted to $500 billion over the next 10 years.
What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/stephanie-cutter/ryans-plan-includes-700-billion-medicare-cuts-says/