Legal Weed's Strange Economics in Colorado

steelheadguy

steelheadguy

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Im pretty sure it will mimic beer. you have cheap ass Bud or shell outvthe dough for local organic craft brew.

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steelheadguy

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Remember alcohol came out of prohibition not long ago just like its brother marijuana is today

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Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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LIBERTYCHICKEN said:
If it were fully legal , most would make use of auto-trimmers , Likely thru colectives like some farming equipment
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trimming, like the harvest of tomatoes melons peppers and grapes, is a manual job.

no machine can do the task as well as a pair of deft fingers.

colorado's dope price has gone up based on simple economic principles.

Supply Side:
mortgages, startup costs, seedstock costs, learning a new crop's lifecycle, new fertilizers, hiring specialists, legal costs and preparing for a new market all raise the initial investment.

Retail/Distribution Side: rent/lease costs, legal costs, setting up a shop, hiring employees, getting insurance and licenses, more legal costs, setting up supplier relationships, advertising, POS systems, tax compliance, and acquiring initial inventory all have to be funded before the first dollar lands in the cash register.

Demand Side: new market means new demand. many hands reaching out with many dollars for a limited supply means that legal retail dope is gonna be expensive until the supply catches up, plus tax.

the booze market saw the same issues after prohibition ended.
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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Dr Kynes said:
trimming, like the harvest of tomatoes melons peppers and grapes, is a manual job.

no machine can do the task as well as a pair of deft fingers.

colorado's dope price has gone up based on simple economic principles.

Supply Side:
mortgages, startup costs, seedstock costs, learning a new crop's lifecycle, new fertilizers, hiring specialists, legal costs and preparing for a new market all raise the initial investment.

Retail/Distribution Side: rent/lease costs, legal costs, setting up a shop, hiring employees, getting insurance and licenses, more legal costs, setting up supplier relationships, advertising, POS systems, tax compliance, and acquiring initial inventory all have to be funded before the first dollar lands in the cash register.

Demand Side: new market means new demand. many hands reaching out with many dollars for a limited supply means that legal retail dope is gonna be expensive until the supply catches up, plus tax.

the booze market saw the same issues after prohibition ended.
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Oh I agree , but the more it gets commericalised the more the auto trimers will make economic sense

Of coarse hand trimmed will always be better , Like hand proccesed tobacco





The taxes , are they the same for extracts as bud ?
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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LIBERTYCHICKEN said:
Oh I agree , but the more it gets commericalised the more the auto trimers will make economic sense

Of coarse hand trimmed will always be better , Like hand proccesed tobacco





The taxes , are they the same for extracts as bud ?
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"auto trimmers" are wasteful, when your product is shifting for $400/oz wasting even a few grams per bud is a killer, and the autotrimmers still have to be operated by a person.

trim faster, with more waste, or slower, with more employees. it's a math problem, and nobody has the numbers yet.

i dont think they have legalized Hash, just buds.
 
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BigNBushy

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Hazydat620 said:
8/ hr, your a fucking idiot. It's a free market now retard and I got paid 20 hr, but you come from a background of stealing and making sandwiches, you can never possess any sort of skill or self motivation that would command anything above 8 hr.
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It is not a free market. It is an illegal market. The state has legalized it, our nation has not. It isn't quite black market, like say, slinging crack, but it isn't quite as free as a liquor store either.

One thing growing bud taught me was the skill involved in trimming is on par with the skill involved in making a sandwich. No education required, a couple hours of training and a person can trim bud as good as needed. Experience will only improve the speed at which bud is trimmed, if a person is deliberate and thorough they can do it with very little effort or supervision.

You make $20 an hour now because the legalities of the product keep prices high.

In a world where marijuana is treated like corn, the appropriate wage for a person trimming buds is near minimum wage. After they have been doing it for some time and have become quite fast while maintaining a high degree of precision, you might give them $10.

I don't begrudge you for making $20 an hour, but you are not doing skilled labor, nor physically demanding labor.

There are agracultural and factory workers all over America doing equally skilled jobs for the wage I just described.

But remember, my presupposition was that weed is treated just like corn. How much do you think corn huskers make? Because shucking corn and trimming bud takes about the same amount of skill.
 
NLXSK1

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BigNBushy said:
Would be awesome if monsanto messed with cannabis and made it a more tree like.

Imagine a 30 foot tall pot plant that bloomed every year!
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Why?

Have them cross it with grass and grow a field of buds 4" high :P

Then you dont need a ladder...
 
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BigNBushy

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NLXSK1 said:
Why?

Have them cross it with grass and grow a field of buds 4" high :P

Then you dont need a ladder...
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Because you might get more interesting results with trees. Imagine a cross with a citrus tree. Eating an orange with more vitamin thc.

They have a fucking sheep that produces spider silk in it's milk. They could do some crazy shit if they wanted to.
 
Hazydat620

Hazydat620

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BigNBushy said:
It is not a free market. It is an illegal market. The state has legalized it, our nation has not. It isn't quite black market, like say, slinging crack, but it isn't quite as free as a liquor store either.

One thing growing bud taught me was the skill involved in trimming is on par with the skill involved in making a sandwich. No education required, a couple hours of training and a person can trim bud as good as needed. Experience will only improve the speed at which bud is trimmed, if a person is deliberate and thorough they can do it with very little effort or supervision.

You make $20 an hour now because the legalities of the product keep prices high.

In a world where marijuana is treated like corn, the appropriate wage for a person trimming buds is near minimum wage. After they have been doing it for some time and have become quite fast while maintaining a high degree of precision, you might give them $10.

I don't begrudge you for making $20 an hour, but you are not doing skilled labor, nor physically demanding labor.

There are agracultural and factory workers all over America doing equally skilled jobs for the wage I just described.

But remember, my presupposition was that weed is treated just like corn. How much do you think corn huskers make? Because shucking corn and trimming bud takes about the same amount of skill.
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you really are new to the game aren't you, you probably have never seen 7+ Lbs that needs to get processed in a matter of a couple of days have you. You do know you can't take your sweet ass time, weed has a very short harvest window. You have been growing for a year, probably a shitty trimmer and grower and you think you have the knowledge to put a price on trim work. Most commercial growers I would assume wouldn't be paying hourly, wouldn't make sense, they are probably gonna pay by the lb. dry that you trimmed, piece work if you didn't know what that type of work is called, which I am fine with, it keeps lowlife slugs like you out of my trade.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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BigNBushy said:
It is not a free market. It is an illegal market. The state has legalized it, our nation has not. It isn't quite black market, like say, slinging crack, but it isn't quite as free as a liquor store either.

One thing growing bud taught me was the skill involved in trimming is on par with the skill involved in making a sandwich. No education required, a couple hours of training and a person can trim bud as good as needed. Experience will only improve the speed at which bud is trimmed, if a person is deliberate and thorough they can do it with very little effort or supervision.

You make $20 an hour now because the legalities of the product keep prices high.

In a world where marijuana is treated like corn, the appropriate wage for a person trimming buds is near minimum wage. After they have been doing it for some time and have become quite fast while maintaining a high degree of precision, you might give them $10.

I don't begrudge you for making $20 an hour, but you are not doing skilled labor, nor physically demanding labor.

There are agracultural and factory workers all over America doing equally skilled jobs for the wage I just described.

But remember, my presupposition was that weed is treated just like corn. How much do you think corn huskers make? Because shucking corn and trimming bud takes about the same amount of skill.
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not even close.

having shucked corn "professionally", and trimmed a lot of dope i can tell you shuckin corn is easy as fuck: grab and pull, grab and pull, wipe off the extraneous corn silk, throw it on the conveyor to the washer.

trimmin dope is a much more complicated and delicate procedure. fuckups cost a lot more than a couple pinched kernels, or a little too much silk on the ear.
 
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ChesusRice

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Dr Kynes said:
not even close.

having shucked corn "professionally", and trimmed a lot of dope i can tell you shuckin corn is easy as fuck: grab and pull, grab and pull, wipe off the extraneous corn silk, throw it on the conveyor to the washer.

trimmin dope is a much more complicated and delicate procedure. fuckups cost a lot more than a couple pinched kernels, or a little too much silk on the ear.
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And this is where Monasanto and ADM come in.
They create a plant that the Fan Leafs fall off when Optimum CBD and THC levels are reached
 
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