That's a load off my mind...

tyler.durden

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Well, this is a relief :roll: If he's right, why would we need religion at all anymore?


[h=1]Pope Francis reaches out to atheists and agnostics[/h] [h=2]The Pope has struck a surprisingly conciliatory tone towards atheists and agnostics, saying that God will "forgive" them as long as they behave morally and live according to their consciences.[/h]
Pope Francis has reached out to atheists and agnostics Photo: FILIPPO MONTEFORTE/AFP/GETTY IMAGES









By Nick Squires, Rome

5:03PM BST 11 Sep 2013
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The unprecedented gesture came as his incoming number two, the Vatican's newly-nominated secretary of state, said that the rule that priests should be celibate was not "a dogma of the Church" and could be open for discussion.

Francis, who has won praise for spontaneous and unusual moves during his six month papacy, wrote a lengthy letter to a newspaper, La Repubblica, which the Italian daily printed over four pages, including page one, under the simple byline "Francesco".

"God forgives those who obey their conscience," he wrote in the unprecedented letter, the latest example of the markedly different tone and style from his predecessors that he has set since being elected in March.

The 76-year-old pontiff was responding to editorials written in July and August by Eugenio Scalfari, an agnostic and the paper's founder, in which he was asked whether "the Christian God forgives those who do not believe and do not seek faith".

Mr Scalfari said he had not expected the South American pope to respond "so extensively and so affectionately, with such fraternal spirit".



The Pope wrote: "The question for those who do not believe in God is to follow their own conscience. Sin, even for a non-believer, is when one goes against one's conscience.
"To listen and to follow your conscience means that you understand the difference between good and evil."
He said that the "mercy of God has no limits" and encompassed even non-believers, but his remarks failed to impress the Italian Union of Atheists and Agnostics.
"Why should a non-believer seek legitimisation from the Pope?" the association asked.
It dismissed what it called the pontiff's "nice words" and said: "What interests non-believers is certainly not 'forgiveness' from an entity whose existence we do not trust."
The Pope's reaching out to atheists echoes a homily he delivered in May, when he said that even atheists could be welcomed into heaven. That declaration caused consternation among Vatican officials, with a spokesman later appearing to backtrack on the Pope's remarks, saying that people who do not believe in God "cannot be saved".
In a further sign that the Church is edging towards more openness, Archbishop Pietro Parolin, a Vatican diplomat who will next month become the Pope's deputy as secretary of state, said that the principle of celibacy among clergy was "ecclesiastical tradition" rather than "Church dogma" and therefore open to discussion.
The Pope has struck a more inclusive tone since taking over as leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in March, notably reaching out to homosexuals on his return from a week-long trip to Brazil in July.
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" the Pope said.
 

dannyboy602

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all those years of catholic school and all that money my parents spent. shit, they could have taken us to disney world instead.
 

Nevaeh420

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My beliefs are also similar to the Popes beliefs. I also belive that there is no sin besides disobeying your conscience. Atheists are just obeying their own logic, intuition and conscience, so why wouldnt God allow them into heaven for doing what they believe is right?

People should never be forced to believe anything contrary to their intuition and conscience, and that includes the belief in God. Threating or damning people to hell is just a scare tactic by the religious people, trying to convert you to their beliefs.

But who is the Pope that anyone should listen to him?- hes just an elected official like all the other Popes that tried to speak for God. How do we KNOW hes even sent by God?- we dont know. I believe Jesus said in the Bible, "There is only One Teacher, and that is Christ" or something like that.

~PEACE~
 

~CReePeR~

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The Lord Forgives and has mercy. He Loves us all and as long as you know that truly in your heart then you will be saved.
 

tyler.durden

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The Lord Forgives and has mercy. He Loves us all and as long as you know that truly in your heart then you will be saved.
He also kills indiscriminately and has great vengeance. I like your idea, but it's not at all what the bible tells us...
 

Nevaeh420

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He also kills indiscriminately and has great vengeance. I like your idea, but it's not at all what the bible tells us...
Why cant you use your imagination and ponder God on a different level, contrary to what the Bible teaches? Most of the Bible was written over 2,000 years ago, dont you consider the Old Testament a little obsolete? The New Testament is a better depiction of what the Savior might be like, aside from the miracles of course. If there is a God, Im sure He loves you very much Tyler and all the Atheists too, with fervent passion. Im sure He loves everyone, and maybe with an equal love. You cant base your sole convictions that there is no God because of an ancient book that the Christians believe in.

Make up your own God and consider Him. You can be your own god if you so desire because we are all gods in a very peculiar way. Let your best conscience be your god... or dont have any god at all, I dont care. Just dont let the Bible be your only opinion about God.

~PEACE~
 

mudminer

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Ain't it funny how the Bible can be the infallible word of God until a Pope says nope. The rest of it is still right though. Maybe its just the Catholic bibles that are wrong. The protesters will still be full of condemnation I bet.
 

Nevaeh420

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Why cant you use your imagination and ponder God on a different level, contrary to what the Bible teaches? Most of the Bible was written over 2,000 years ago, dont you consider the Old Testament a little obsolete? The New Testament is a better depiction of what the Savior might be like, aside from the miracles of course. If there is a God, Im sure He loves you very much Tyler and all the Atheists too, with fervent passion. Im sure He loves everyone, and maybe with an equal love. You cant base your sole convictions that there is no God because of an ancient book that the Christians believe in.

Make up your own God and consider Him. You can be your own god if you so desire because we are all gods in a very peculiar way. Let your best conscience be your god... or dont have any god at all, I dont care. Just dont let the Bible be your only opinion about God.

~PEACE~
Can you opine on the above quote Tyler?

Why dont you have a different opinion about God other then what the Bible says?

Man wrote the Bible and not God. If God wrote the Bible, it would be filled with scientific fact and only facts; and infallible Truths. If God wrote a Book, it would be the only source of knowledge and wisdom, unless God wrote many books. But God didnt write the Bible, man wrote the Bible and its not infallible.

~PEACE~
 

Nevaeh420

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Whaddya know? A "Buddy Pope" to go along with the "Buddy Christ" from the movie "Dogma".
Im glad you consider Me "Buddy Christ".

But I think your just making up the movie "Dogma", but that would be a good title for a religious movie.

~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

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Can you opine on the above quote Tyler?

Why dont you have a different opinion about God other then what the Bible says?

Man wrote the Bible and not God. If God wrote the Bible, it would be filled with scientific fact and only facts; and infallible Truths. If God wrote a Book, it would be the only source of knowledge and wisdom, unless God wrote many books. But God didnt write the Bible, man wrote the Bible and its not infallible.

~PEACE~
I don't believe in any gods, including the biblical one, hence the term atheist. I do not believe because there is absolutely zero empirical evidence in favor for a god. Yahweh is a fictional character of the bible, and he is a sick fuck...


“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” - Dawkins
 

tyler.durden

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Im glad you consider Me "Buddy Christ".

But I think your just making up the movie "Dogma", but that would be a good title for a religious movie.

~PEACE~
Doesn't your phone have Google? Why not take a second to look it up before talking shit? Fucking lazy. Dogma was a Kevin Smith movie that was very entertaining, I think you'd like it...

[video=youtube;20CRw3XdETA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20CRw3XdETA[/video]
 

Nevaeh420

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I don't believe in any gods, including the biblical one, hence the term atheist. I do not believe because there is absolutely zero empirical evidence in favor for a god. Yahweh is a fictional character of the bible, and he is a sick fuck...


“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” - Dawkins
I actually made up My own God because I dont believe any of the religions properly depict God the way He really is. But Im like you- skeptical of any God, including My own God because there isnt that much proof besides creation. I really do hope there is a God, but not like any of the religions portray Him as.

Are you happy, Tyler, not believing in a god? or would you rather believe in a God that there is emperical evidence for? If there was emperical evidence for God, would you want to believe, or no?

~PEACE~
 

Nevaeh420

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Doesn't your phone have Google? Why not take a second to look it up before talking shit? Fucking lazy. Dogma was a Kevin Smith movie that was very entertaining, I think you'd like it...

[video=youtube;20CRw3XdETA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20CRw3XdETA[/video]
My phone has google, but I didnt want to TRY and look up a movie that someone (I thought) just made up.

I guess you could say Im lazy, but that was My logic... I thought Mudminer just whimsically came out with a random movie that didnt exist to begin with.

~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

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I actually made up My own God because I dont believe any of the religions properly depict God the way He really is. But Im like you- skeptical of any God, including My own God because there isnt that much proof besides creation.
Calling the natural world 'creation' is begging the question. You are unjustly positing that is was created, instead of coming to pass by natural means...

I really do hope there is a God, but not like any of the religions portray Him as.

Are you happy, Tyler, not believing in a god? or would you rather believe in a God that there is emperical evidence for? If there was emperical evidence for God, would you want to believe, or no?

~PEACE~
I am the happiest that I've ever been. There is great freedom in letting go of the god concept, I don't need some invisible cosmic parent to take care of me, to give me a shoulder to cry on, or to share my triumphs and failures with. I'm an adult, and my choices, and their rewards and consequences, are my own. If it turns out that the evidence shows that there is a deity, I will accept that, but I do not need it...
 

Nevaeh420

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Calling the natural world 'creation' is begging the question. You are unjustly positing that is was created, instead of coming to pass by natural means...
Regardless if the universe came about from natural means or by God, there still is a creation. But was the creation induced by a natural cause or by God, is the question. But if there is a creation, there usually is a creator, unless its by "natural means".

How do you think the Big Bang happened?- by what "natural means"?



I am the happiest that I've ever been. There is great freedom in letting go of the god concept, I don't need some invisible cosmic parent to take care of me, to give me a shoulder to cry on, or to share my triumphs and failures with. I'm an adult, and my choices, and their rewards and consequences, are my own. If it turns out that the evidence shows that there is a deity, I will accept that, but I do not need it...
As long as you are content in your beliefs, thats all that matters. I would wish everyone be content in their beliefs, whatever that may be. Im content in My beliefs but Im certain that I still have a lot to learn.

You obviously dont need a god, so why pretend you do? I think God is for the people that are looking for the answers that science cant explain, because science cant explain the supernatural or spiritual. Even though Im not the most savvy at science, science is a type of religion to Me... in the sense that science has more solutions and answers than any religious text Ive ever read. If I had My own religion, it would be based on science and Myself.

~PEACE~
 

Beefbisquit

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Regardless if the universe came about from natural means or by God, there still is a creation.
What if the universe has always existed? You're assuming that a god exists, and has probably always existed. Why not just remove god from the equation and say the universe has always existed?


But was the creation induced by a natural cause or by God, is the question.
If god actually existed, wouldn't he be 'natural'?

But if there is a creation, there usually is a creator, unless its by "natural means".

How do you think the Big Bang happened?- by what "natural means"?
You don't know if anything was actually created. The matter and energy that make up the universe could have always existed in some form.



As long as you are content in your beliefs, thats all that matters. I would wish everyone be content in their beliefs, whatever that may be. Im content in My beliefs but Im certain that I still have a lot to learn.

You obviously dont need a god, so why pretend you do? I think God is for the people that are looking for the answers that science cant explain, because science cant explain the supernatural or spiritual. Even though Im not the most savvy at science, science is a type of religion to Me... in the sense that science has more solutions and answers than any religious text Ive ever read. If I had My own religion, it would be based on science and Myself.

~PEACE~
Here's the problem with creating a religion. It's not coming from any type of authority. It's just some dude making a bunch of shit up. In other words, it's a lie. Why would anyone want to follow someone who is lying to them? The reason people follow religions is because they're supposedly imposed by a higher power, someone that can guide them, give them answers they can't find themselves. If you're openly admitting that the religion you follow was just made up on the spot and had no supernatural properties, religion looses its power.
 

MojoRison

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Baby steps, don't want to create mass hysteria...
[video=youtube_share;9S4cldkdCjE]http://youtu.be/9S4cldkdCjE[/video]
 

Nevaeh420

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What if the universe has always existed? You're assuming that a god exists, and has probably always existed. Why not just remove god from the equation and say the universe has always existed?
The universe is estimated to be roughly 13 or 14 billions of years old, thats a finite amount of time. The only way our universe could be any older is if there was a big collapse of the "old" universe, where the "old" universe had an implosion on itself. And God only knows how many cycles the universe went through if this theory is true.

Even if the universe always existed in one form or another, why do you need to take God out of the equation? Im also skeptical of God but I leave a possibility for Him because of this creation that we all live in. God to Me is just another way of saying the Highest Power, for all I know God could be an alien or computer or something else all together, but there is a Highest Power in the universe, whatever it may be.




If god actually existed, wouldn't he be 'natural'?
Thats right, God could be natural or God could be supernatural, regardless, God is just the Highest Power to Me.

You don't know if anything was actually created. The matter and energy that make up the universe could have always existed in some form.
Before there was a big bang, there was a singularity, everything was CREATED from the singularity, right? I believe it had to have been created at one point in time, even if it was a seemingly infinite time ago.




Here's the problem with creating a religion. It's not coming from any type of authority. It's just some dude making a bunch of shit up. In other words, it's a lie. Why would anyone want to follow someone who is lying to them? The reason people follow religions is because they're supposedly imposed by a higher power, someone that can guide them, give them answers they can't find themselves. If you're openly admitting that the religion you follow was just made up on the spot and had no supernatural properties, religion looses its power.
You have seen the types of things I post, and I believe what I say so there are no lies but maybe some mistakes.

I dont want to start a religion, but I do want to start a new Spirituality.

I just want to know what are the chances or probality of My facts and claims, if true indeed.

People should only believe in Me because they have seen My evidence for themselves, and they have used logic and discernment to find the truth.

But there are a spectrum of outcomes, either I could have no witnesses in the future or the whole world could witness Me, or anywhere in between. It doesnt matter to Me much, as long as I do My best.

But most religions start out very small, with only a few followers. Religions usually start from one man, and then it grows.

My Words speak for themself.

~PEACE~
 
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