UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
well that's just funny.
how is that even possible? ryan's plan gets rid of medicare and hands out coupons instead.
part of obamacare is funding to cover prescriptions under medicare part D, dumbass.
And now it begins - Obamacare a very slow payer.
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Red1966
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"So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers." Literal cuts to the Medicare budget and........... You now provide a specific benefit that has been reduced to seniors, drug coverage. You just keep defeating your own arguments. My work is done here.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Again You didnt read
Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/stephanie-cutter/ryans-plan-includes-700-billion-medicare-cuts-says/
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
And at no loss of benefits or services to Medicare recipients
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Red1966 Supports this:
[h=1]The Medicare Advantage Scam[/h]
Philip Rucker takes a good, hard look
at the scam that is Medicare Advantage. Essentially, it works like this:
Congress allowed private HMOs to compete for Medicare patients under the
rationale that they could offer better service at lower cost than the
government. They couldn't. So Republicans in Congress began boosting their
payments, to the point that Medicare Advantage gets paid 114 percent what
Medicare gets paid to care for a patient. That leads to some fun perks, like
free gym memberships and complimentary aspirin and band-aids, which in turn
leads seniors to defend the program because they like their perks. But it also
means a lot of unnecessary expense for taxpayers.
And it's important to remember that those free perks do not account for the
whole of Medicare Advantage's overpayments. Rather, economists have estimated
that for every extra dollar we pay the program, 14 percent is passed on to
seniors and 86 percent goes to profits or other costs. In other words, we're
getting only 14 cents of obvious value for every dollar of overpayment
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/10/the_medicare_advantage_scam.html
[h=1]The Medicare Advantage Scam[/h]
Philip Rucker takes a good, hard look
at the scam that is Medicare Advantage. Essentially, it works like this:
Congress allowed private HMOs to compete for Medicare patients under the
rationale that they could offer better service at lower cost than the
government. They couldn't. So Republicans in Congress began boosting their
payments, to the point that Medicare Advantage gets paid 114 percent what
Medicare gets paid to care for a patient. That leads to some fun perks, like
free gym memberships and complimentary aspirin and band-aids, which in turn
leads seniors to defend the program because they like their perks. But it also
means a lot of unnecessary expense for taxpayers.
And it's important to remember that those free perks do not account for the
whole of Medicare Advantage's overpayments. Rather, economists have estimated
that for every extra dollar we pay the program, 14 percent is passed on to
seniors and 86 percent goes to profits or other costs. In other words, we're
getting only 14 cents of obvious value for every dollar of overpayment
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/10/the_medicare_advantage_scam.html
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
'the truth is that black males are just more inclined to criminality' - red1966, july 2013
'i never said [black males] had a propensity to crime' - red1966, november 2013
red knows all about his own quotes working against him.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Except there is no cuts to benefits or services for Medicare Recipients
Do you work for a Medicare advantage company?
Red1966
Well-Known Member
You're telling others what I support now? And that quote is rather vague/dishonest anyway. What are "extra dollars"? What are "other costs"?
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
You keep crying about cuts to this program
So yeah I'm being pretty accurate that you support ripping off tax payers
Red1966
Well-Known Member
Pretending the benefits are the same when fewer are being purchased is just dishonest. And it still doesn't negate the fact that funds were purloined from Medicare to finance ACA, the fact you were trying to hide.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
The cuts come from Medicare Advantage ($300billion) AND the reduction in future Medicare funds in the next ten years.
This was contingent on Medicare's growth dropping from 6.8%-5.3% in those ten years.
So yes, Obamacare is cutting medicare by $700billion during the next ten years.
This is like saying, we're Not cutting wages your now, you just won't get a cost of living increase in the next ten years.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Point out the cuts in Benefits or services to medicare recipients
Red1966
Well-Known Member
The question was "Did they cut the funds?" It's not that hard to answer unless you're trying to hide something.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Cut the waste?
Absolutely. Do you want to waste. Tax dollars?