Legal Weed's Strange Economics in Colorado

twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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ChesusRice said:
Fiskars dont eliminate cramps
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Haha ain't that the truth. To any one concerned fiskars have a lifetime warranty....micro tip replacement springs will be mailed to you free of charge if you live chat with fiskars and explain your springs have broken.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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ChesusRice said:
If it was legal to grow and possess illegal to sell

The prices would be 10 bucks an ounce in about 15 months
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If it were illegal to sell wouldn't the price be free?


Any other examples of prohibition you can name that's been successful?
 
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BigNBushy

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twostrokenut said:
What you left out of this equation is your personal motivation to see your efforts through to completion....everyone simply does not posess similar motivation, dextarity and fiskar prices being equal with others.
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You are still seeing things through the looking glass of how things are today.

Ever hear of Bush Beans? It's a large company that makes a lot of canned food, most famous for baked beans.

They own thousands of acres of land where they grow produce, and buy produce from others and can it.

This is highly different process than growing a few bean plants in your back yard and making great home grown beans.


Suppose weed is fully legal, although regulated. Is fucking growing everywhere. I'll bet that the "grow your own" movement almost dies out. Percentage wise, very few people grow any of the food they eat, or products they consume, although they could.

A lot of people have a garden, but still buy many of the other things they eat.

Weed will be like this. Why go through the pain in the ass of growing if you can buy great weed like cigarette and beer?

Most people will stop. There won't be any money in it anymore.

A very large company, like bush beans, will come in, grow an ass load, hire all the work done for super cheap, and sell really good weed for cheap.

The variety of strains will go way down, as there isn't that much difference in the ones I've tried outside of the sativa or indica options. Smell might be a little different, as well as some visual aspects, but the high feels mostly the same.

If nation wide prohibition is lifted and you think you will still be able to grow weed for a profit, your living in a dream.

Colorado is a poor example, though legal there, those wishing to supply their stores still have to compete with buyers in other parts of the country for the same goods.

While it is still illegal federally, no major investment is going to take place. By major I mean hundreds of millions or billions that will be invested once all illegalities are removed.

You may grow your own weed in the same sense that my dad grows his own tomatoes and onions... A hobby.

If you're lucky, you might have a recognizable name or something some corporation finds valuable. They might offer you some money and/or a position with them for the rights to your brand or whatever they want.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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The variety will go down, as there isn't that much difference in the ones you tried outside the sativa or indica options.

Roll that beautiful bean footage son. When beans are medicine and/or religious sacraments...could we pick this discussion back up?

If I still smoked tobacco I would grow that too....wait a sec I do, for pesticide.

And no, the corp would be the lucky one my gear is pretty awesome.

That other option was ruderalis.....this is and always will be a medical movement to me....what's your ailment?
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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BigNBushy said:
In fact, I wouldn't doubt that for even less money you could buy something equally good, but not in bud form.

Very close automated trimmed buds, dried cured and then processed into a pellet or something of the like.

It will probably be a specific shape to fit into the bowl of the company that produces it. No grinding, or tearing odd shapped buds into pieces to put in your bowl.

Just grab a pot pellet out of it's container and affix it to the brands smoking apparatus and shazam!
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whats with you and the automated trimming fixation?

while it is true that cigarette tobacco is machine harvested, flue cured in industrial equipment and when ready for chopping and rolling, it is as uniform and interchangeable as the boxes of nails at home depot.
likewise beer is produced on an industrial scale with industrial level results, yet still small breweries exist because some people still like beer that doesnt taste like piss.

these two products are not representative of most of the chemical adulterants adults indulge in today, they are odd exceptions.


i guess you are unaware that most pipe tobacco is still hand harvested , tied into munches for hanging by hand, and cured the old fashioned 16th century way, then sold by the individual farmer at a tobacco auction.
wine grapes are hand harvested, fermented by craftsmen and aged in the same way it has been done for centuries.
every tomatoe you ever ate was picked by hand.
the same goes for every apple, every peach, every plum, every orange, etc etc.
if you wear clothing made from wool, somebody sheared that sheep by hand. the only improvement in sheep shearing in the last 200 years is the addition of electrically powered shears, but sheep are still pretty much exactly the same irregular shape they have always been, and still as wiggly, and ornery as ever.

people who live in cities seem to think theres a factory someplace that performs every task needed, to produce the products you use, all by the magic of mechanization.
the truth is very different.

weed will never be trimmed by a machine, it will always require somebody to do the job, and your derision and scorn for the people who do this task, as well as flipping your burgers, shearing your sheep, harvesting your food, sweeping the streets and whatnot, is pathetic.

if you think manual labour is simple and easy, you have never done any.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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BigNBushy said:
You are still seeing things through the looking glass of how things are today.

Ever hear of Bush Beans? It's a large company that makes a lot of canned food, most famous for baked beans.

They own thousands of acres of land where they grow produce, and buy produce from others and can it.

This is highly different process than growing a few bean plants in your back yard and making great home grown beans.


Suppose weed is fully legal, although regulated. Is fucking growing everywhere. I'll bet that the "grow your own" movement almost dies out. Percentage wise, very few people grow any of the food they eat, or products they consume, although they could.

A lot of people have a garden, but still buy many of the other things they eat.

Weed will be like this. Why go through the pain in the ass of growing if you can buy great weed like cigarette and beer?

Most people will stop. There won't be any money in it anymore.

A very large company, like bush beans, will come in, grow an ass load, hire all the work done for super cheap, and sell really good weed for cheap.

The variety of strains will go way down, as there isn't that much difference in the ones I've tried outside of the sativa or indica options. Smell might be a little different, as well as some visual aspects, but the high feels mostly the same.

If nation wide prohibition is lifted and you think you will still be able to grow weed for a profit, your living in a dream.

Colorado is a poor example, though legal there, those wishing to supply their stores still have to compete with buyers in other parts of the country for the same goods.

While it is still illegal federally, no major investment is going to take place. By major I mean hundreds of millions or billions that will be invested once all illegalities are removed.

You may grow your own weed in the same sense that my dad grows his own tomatoes and onions... A hobby.

If you're lucky, you might have a recognizable name or something some corporation finds valuable. They might offer you some money and/or a position with them for the rights to your brand or whatever they want.
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do you even grow dope?

it's not that easy.

if you plant 500 acres of dope seeds, who will sex them, pull the males, monitor them for hermies, select the optimum moment to harvest, trim the buds, then cure them slowly over several weeks?

dope isnt corn, it doesnt grow like corn, it is not harvested and handled like corn, and it is not a uniform commodity crop suitable for storage in a grain silo.

the only way to handle legal dope agriculture is the same way wine grapes are grown and processed into booze.

BY SPECIALISTS.

any jackass can turn safeway table grapes onto a vinegary swill and call it wine, or stir in some grain spirits and kool-aid, then call it MD 20/20.
and if you can sell that shit to dumbasses and hobos, knock yourself out. sling all the seedy impotent rank ass mouldy cartel brown style dope you want.

the rest of us will keep making our dope the way our pothead ancestors did it, with care, loving attention, and slightly bloodshot eyes.
 
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ChesusRice

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ginwilly said:
If it were illegal to sell wouldn't the price be free?


Any other examples of prohibition you can name that's been successful?
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Guess you dont get the point

The black market price would be 10 bucks an ounce. Why would anyone need to buy weed if everyone is growing it?
 
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ChesusRice

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Dr Kynes said:
whats with you and the automated trimming fixation?

while it is true that cigarette tobacco is machine harvested, flue cured in industrial equipment and when ready for chopping and rolling, it is as uniform and interchangeable as the boxes of nails at home depot.
likewise beer is produced on an industrial scale with industrial level results, yet still small breweries exist because some people still like beer that doesnt taste like piss.

these two products are not representative of most of the chemical adulterants adults indulge in today, they are odd exceptions.


i guess you are unaware that most pipe tobacco is still hand harvested , tied into munches for hanging by hand, and cured the old fashioned 16th century way, then sold by the individual farmer at a tobacco auction.
wine grapes are hand harvested, fermented by craftsmen and aged in the same way it has been done for centuries.
every tomatoe you ever ate was picked by hand.
the same goes for every apple, every peach, every plum, every orange, etc etc.
if you wear clothing made from wool, somebody sheared that sheep by hand. the only improvement in sheep shearing in the last 200 years is the addition of electrically powered shears, but sheep are still pretty much exactly the same irregular shape they have always been, and still as wiggly, and ornery as ever.

people who live in cities seem to think theres a factory someplace that performs every task needed, to produce the products you use, all by the magic of mechanization.
the truth is very different.

weed will never be trimmed by a machine, it will always require somebody to do the job, and your derision and scorn for the people who do this task, as well as flipping your burgers, shearing your sheep, harvesting your food, sweeping the streets and whatnot, is pathetic.

if you think manual labour is simple and easy, you have never done any.
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Wonder how long ago this was taken
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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ChesusRice said:





Wonder how long ago this was taken
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derp derp derp. thats a HEMP feild, for fiber, not dope.

you dont know shit about agriculture, you never worked in the feilds, you dont grow dope, but you got lots of opinions on how it works.

i am amazed anyone takes you seriously.
 
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ChesusRice

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Dr Kynes said:
derp derp derp. thats a HEMP feild, for fiber, not dope.

you dont know shit about agriculture, you never worked in the feilds, you dont grow dope, but you got lots of opinions on how it works.

i am amazed anyone takes you seriously.
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ORLY?
I have done my share of hay mowing. And you are right that is a "hemp" feild
Whats the difference between Hemp and Marijuana?
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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ChesusRice said:
ORLY?
I have done my share of hay mowing. And you are right that is a "hemp" feild
Whats the difference between Hemp and Marijuana?
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you should work for the DEA.

Hemp is planted in tightly packed feild so it grows long stems, it is not sexed to remove the males which produce no dope, and pollinate your flowers stopping resin production.

smoke some hemp and you wont get high. it produces seeds, and fibers, thats it.

dope is a whole nother animal.

if you grew dope you would know this.

and i dont believe you mowed hay in your life. cutting your lawn is not agriculture.
 
DNAprotection

DNAprotection

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Dr Kynes said:
you should work for the DEA.

Hemp is planted in tightly packed feild so it grows long stems, it is not sexed to remove the males which produce no dope, and pollinate your flowers stopping resin production.

smoke some hemp and you wont get high. it produces seeds, and fibers, thats it.

dope is a whole nother animal.

if you grew dope you would know this.

and i dont believe you mowed hay in your life. cutting your lawn is not agriculture.
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not only that doc but medicinal grade cannabis will eventually morph back to stopping resin production if allowed full fertilization for many generations i believe at around 7 to 10 generations of full fertilization it really starts morphing back...
but medicinal grade can be used for its fiber and seed etc if planted in the same fashion (tightly woven) as 'industrial' etc but to keep a decent level of resin production the crop should be denied fertilization in a reasonable rotation from year to year...
 
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ChesusRice

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Dr Kynes said:
you should work for the DEA.

Hemp is planted in tightly packed feild so it grows long stems, it is not sexed to remove the males which produce no dope, and pollinate your flowers stopping resin production.

smoke some hemp and you wont get high. it produces seeds, and fibers, thats it.

dope is a whole nother animal.

if you grew dope you would know this.

and i dont believe you mowed hay in your life. cutting your lawn is not agriculture.
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Is it still marijuana?
And you dont know shit about me Kynes. I've spent a lot of time on farms. It is how I made my pocket money when I was a kid you douche
 
DNAprotection

DNAprotection

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ChesusRice said:
Is it still marijuana?
And you dont know shit about me Kynes. I've spent a lot of time on farms. It is how I made my pocket money when I was a kid you douche
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that in no way negates the point that you clearly "dont know shit about" the cannabis plant...
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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ChesusRice said:
Guess you dont get the point

The black market price would be 10 bucks an ounce. Why would anyone need to buy weed if everyone is growing it?
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I'll admit I'm missing the point. Not in an argumentative way, I'm just missing it.
Are you saying making things illegal and forcing them onto the black market makes things cheaper? Do you have any real world examples to help me see your point?
 
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ChesusRice

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ginwilly said:
I'll admit I'm missing the point. Not in an argumentative way, I'm just missing it.
Are you saying making things illegal and forcing them onto the black market makes things cheaper? Do you have any real world examples to help me see your point?
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If it is legal to possess and grow
Illegal to sell

Then yes it would make the black market cheaper. Since there would be almost no need for the black market.
Real world example?
Aspirin
It is legal to make and possess your own aspirin
Illegal to sell it without FDA approval

how much does black market aspirin go for?
 
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