skunk #1 gosh this taking a long time lol...patience is haaaaaaaaaaaaaard!

Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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Well until someone counters with better data I'm gonna go with Mahlberg's findings (As a basis for ratio) which were:
57ng of thc per gland in mature(clear) glands,
35ng of thc per gland in aged(cloudy) glands,
9ng of thc per gland in senescent(amber) glands.
It could also be that there is more total thc when glands are cloudy, if each gland is less potent but there are more of them? I would love it if someone could post more up to date figures. There is a medical marijuana testing lab a couple blocks from my house, maybe I could ask them there if they have any firm, current data.
 
BWG707

BWG707

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Have you been able to any tests yourself? When do you prefer to harvest? Just curious what your results have been. I forgot to add in my previous post that I've been extremely pleased with my harvests so far, doesn't mean it couldn't be improved though.
 
Ace Yonder

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No not at all sadly, all my stuff is based solely on research I did and talks I've been having with some of the growers at my collectives in prep for my first grow. In another 2 months I may be able to tell you more of my personal tests hahaha. Aside from growing, I have been smoking for 15 years or so, and watched several grows from seed to harvest. The growers I know tend to harvest a little earlier and cure for a little longer, and their medicine seems to me to be a step above most of the stuff I've seen on the top shelves of most dispensaries, so its been their advice I've been following this first time around. Once I'm on my feet you best believe I'll be doing some major testing of my own!
 
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althor

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Well, who hasnt cut a bud off the bottom branches in desperate times when you first start growing?
It is easy to see the difference, so much so that placebo doesn't factor into it.
So easy test, next batch, cut a bud off the bottom branch at 5 weeks into flowering, dry and cure it. Pick one at 6 weeks, dry and cure.
Do so each week until you cut.

As to my first question, I think we all have plucked an early bud at some point or another and clear crystals are definitely not what you want. Even if the THC is highest and most active or whatever else, there are apparently many more factors than just THC percentage to a buzz.
 
Ace Yonder

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Like I said, It could very well be a quantity issue, in a perfect world a fully matured plant with 100% clear heads could be amazing, but it could be that when all the heads are still clear there just aren't enough of them to make up for it, as more glands are constantly being produced. I'd rather have a bud with 100 glands, each with 37ng of thc, than a bud with 50 glands, each with 57ng thc. Just tryin to figure things out and share in the journey of learning, pointing out things that I haven't seen discussed and such. More data is never a bad thing if you're looking for the truth
 
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althor

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Ace Yonder said:
Like I said, It could very well be a quantity issue, in a perfect world a fully matured plant with 100% clear heads could be amazing, but it could be that when all the heads are still clear there just aren't enough of them to make up for it, as more glands are constantly being produced. I'd rather have a bud with 100 glands, each with 37ng of thc, than a bud with 50 glands, each with 57ng thc. Just tryin to figure things out and share in the journey of learning, pointing out things that I haven't seen discussed and such. More data is never a bad thing if you're looking for the truth
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Well my point was, an immature bud is no where near as potent as a fully ripe one.
Regardless of what that test shows about thc.
 
mmmmbrownies

mmmmbrownies

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ashley.... I just harvested a lady just like that this week she took forever
and i'm not sure if this is good but she smells like berries and onions while she's drying
I get really weird looks from the wife like i did something to it
oh well just thought i'd share that
keep up the good work and good job on being patient :)
 
Cascadian

Cascadian

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I know that terpenes have a much greater role in how we process/experience cannabinoids than is currently understood or acknowledged. There is a lot of research going on currently to try to understand it. Some phenos of certain strains which have very similar cannabinoid profiles to other phenos of the same strain have very different effects. For example the Lemon pheno of Jack Herer is very helpful for people with insomnia but the cannabinoids vary only slightly from other phenos and not enough to explain the different effect.

Maybe the difference in how mature we let our plants get has an effect on the terpenes, and as a result changes the perception/experience we have of how potent the bud is?
Just throwing it out there...

Great discussion! You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ace Yonder again.
 
Dribbles

Dribbles

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You should also take into account the fact that while the plucked plant is drying it's still ripening, they don't die the moment you cut them, but continue to life, and if you go the slow-dry route and hang the plant whole, it could keep ripening for days before it even dries-out enough to start getting stressed.

And from my observation, any species of plant that's picked ripens much faster than in would do if left in the ground.

My point is, that pulling the plant because triches are 80% amber - if you go on to cure properly - will give you buds that're beyong just "ripe": You will end-up with the bud equiv. of fruit rotting on the vine.

Edit: I'm so fuckin sick of the dodgey database errors on this site. i just lost ANOTHER 20minute edit AGAIN. THE SERVER, OR vBulliten, fucks up so much I get seriously nervous about typing any more than a three-line response.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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That is a great point about the terpenes! I hadn't even thought about that but its true, if you've ever vaped out of a volcano set to a really low temp (like 330f) you can still get some very potent effects but at those temps you are pretty much getting ONLY terpenes, and if you take it out and smoke it after removing them you get a totally different high than you would have before. In particular I've noticed that the low temp hits tend to be very body-heavy and pure thc (I've had shatter that was tested at 95%+ thc) is almost entirely cerebral. If terpenes increase as the plant ages that could account for the couch lock effect a lot of people associate with later harvests. Definitely food for thought!!
 
Dribbles

Dribbles

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There can only be three causes for this site failing so mich. Either the server is a budget-job and should be upgraded to something has enough grunt to handle the posters, or vBulletin is buggy and sucks itself, OR addons that've been installed have fucked the site.

Whichever it is, there's no excuse for the number of times whole posts - that can take half an hour to compose - simply evaporate and are lost because the forums can't handle simple posts and edits.
 
Cascadian

Cascadian

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I agree the site has some problems, if I have taken more than 5 minutes or so to compose a response, I have started a habit of copying my text before I hit reply. I also refresh the page before hitting reply, if it appears functional/normal I hit reply. Then at least I do not have to rewrite my post if there is an error/glitch. Agreed, shouldn't happen, but as annoying as it is I can tolerate it.. RIU is the best Cannabis board on the net IMO.
 
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althor

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In my experiences, going for the highest possible concentrations of cloudy crystals, with a 30 day cure gives the best buzz.
You will have some crystals (oldest) starting to turn amber and you will have some crystals(newest) still clear.
 
Dribbles

Dribbles

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Cascadian said:
I agree the site has some problems, if I have taken more than 5 minutes or so to compose a response, I have started a habit of copying my text before I hit reply. I also refresh the page before hitting reply, if it appears functional/normal I hit reply. Then at least I do not have to rewrite my post if there is an error/glitch. Agreed, shouldn't happen, but as annoying as it is I can tolerate it.. RIU is the best Cannabis board on the net IMO.
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I just cbf'd typing the whole post/edit again, but it is happening with increasing frequency lately. I know it's RIU because there's always a vBulletin or server/cloudflare error page when it cheaps-out and fails, and almost every page the first thing I see is that php text error line, appears just before the page loads.

We shouldn't have to make backups of our posts, especially on a forum that's meant to be based on users posting, posts.

I've read about vBulletin too, it's apparently the plonk-and-go forum for people who know nothing about programming: simply pay your $200 or so, and click Install. I don't think you're even allowed to fix any bugs in the forum software, cos it's a closed-source commercial peice of .... *calm blue ocean.. Calm blue ocean* anyhow, whatever it is, nobosy seems in any hurry to fix it, so either the admin(s) don't get the error, or don't care, or are sitting there hoping that vBulliten Incorporated releases a fix for it.

Of course regardless the reason, no site should just go "down" randomly and redirect to some stupid day-old cloud version, and fixing the issues should be prioroty number one: An hour of combing-out the bugs will eliminage months of ongoing frustration for 1000 people a day.
 
Dribbles

Dribbles

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Should've installed PhpBB. Open-source open-ness, that can be freely altered anytime and ina ny way you want.

People debate which is the better option, and it always comes down to "try em both and see which one you like best". Like, Windows or Linux, I'm the sortta person who would take linux and learning how to change it, over Windows and never being able to fix or alter anything.

sorry OP, just realized how off topic I'm getting but it pisses me off. That edit i did was killer, read great, comprehensive, explained everything well, then it vanished >:(
 
Dribbles

Dribbles

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I - personally - also think they should have at least ONE dark theme for those of us using mobile devices. Darker the screen, longer the battery lasts. I'll assume, that if after 5+ years nobosies managed to bother with that, it could be quite a while until the bugs are sorted.

God damn stoner admins, I guess I shouldn't expect anything to ever get done ;)
 
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