GandalfdaGreen
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If they don't get light then cut them. Trying to squeeze something out of the lowers never really worked for me. There....my first contribution in a long time. Maybe I still do know a little about growing this plant. 
Total Noob using teas and I am a believer
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hyroot
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Hyroot. What would one of them pricey ass lights cover lol damn them sicker are high aren't they. I would like to try building a led. I'll let you guys try and figure that out and then I'll copylol
I need to look into full spectrum t5. I just use 6500k right now.
The inda gro induction with led combo is about $1500 . Its 460 watts total. Induction -420 watts, led pontoon - 40 watts. The light combo covers a 5x5. It has a 10 year warranty. Bulbs last 10 years and spectral degrading happens after 70,000 hours. they only degrade 10%-30%.
Its pricey upfront. In the long run its far cheaper than running a 1000w hps. No bulb or ballast replacement for 10 years. Lower electrical costs. UL listed too.
the results are awesome. They say 3 inda gro's is equal in yield to 2 1000w's but I'm seeing the same size buds as a 1000w but with such frosty buds and leaves like never before. I'm sure thats due to the uv-a, uv-b, 660 deep red leds, And the 730 IR leds pfr-ness. I'm happy with the results. Best veg light ever too. I have never seen clones grow so unifrom. I have never been able to get my cbk to grow christmas tree style with all branches growing at the same rate. there was always 1 or 2 hat would take off faster. Its not the case now. I swear its the light
http://www.inda-gro.com/products.html
For t5's I would go with htg agromax 5400k bulbs for veg. they kick ass. and maybe a couple zoo med flora suns too
you can get the htg bulbs from htg's ebay site the cheapest. $45 for 8 bulbs free shipping. The flora suns from dr.fostersmith.com for $10.99 each ( spend $45 and get free shipping)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T5-BULBS-T5HO-HIGH-OUTPUT-FLUORESCENT-LAMP-2-4-ft-GROW-BLOOM-UV-1-4-8-25-packs-/160895821950?pt=US_Hydroponics&var=&hash=item257623687e
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3733+13821+23649&pcatid=23649
RedCarpetMatches
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I talked to IG yet again and got the same answers on the duration of the far red @ lights out. They both said a couple min just to be on the safe side...apparently it doesn't take much. He also said I could go 15/9 and 14/10 depending on strains. Is there a time you can set the 730nm at or does it automatically do half n hour?
hyroot
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there's 730 in the induction bulb as well as the led's . When only the 730 led's run. They run off a battery that charges while the lights are on. The battery has a 5 minute charge. When the lights turn off. the 730 led's immediately turn on. After 2-3 minutes. They slowly dim down until they are off. Just like the sun setting...sort of.. I run 12/12. they did not like 13/11. maybe if i started at 13/11 then dropped down. In nature, sunlight is at 14/10 in the summer and gradually drops to 11/13 by mid to late oct. Mine were in 12/12 under t5's for 12 days then went to 13/11. Maybe starting off at 13/11 and then drop to 12/12 after a 2-3 weeks would be better. Trial and error. There is no definitive answer on lighting schedule. It all depends on strain.. Indica's originate from the hot deserts in the middle east where they have mostly 12/12 year round. so....
Steelheader3430
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Got my seeds today. 3 ATF and 2 fuzz in wet paper towels. I peeled some moss of trees and put it on my soil to keep it from drying out so fast. Re- wet the soil with labtobacilus. And did some more cleaning. Finally getting my hobby back.
Illegal Wonder
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I'd probably still be pissing into an oncoming wind if it weren't for you...If they don't get light then cut them. Trying to squeeze something out of the lowers never really worked for me. There....my first contribution in a long time. Maybe I still do know a little about growing this plant.
RedCarpetMatches
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Have you ever put them in darkness for a long period 24-36 hours when switching, or veg 20-24 on, then switch to 14-15 on to bloom?! Here's an interesting read on red/far red germing, day cycles, circadian rhythm, and 730nm effects. I like the part on Tropism too...could see this as part of my vert. http://www.bio.miami.edu/dana/226/226F08_21.html
EDIT: You could also save money by shortening days 10-11/12, go for larger yields with 14-10, or just flower faster and shorten days 12-10 right?
hyroot
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no I would never put them in the dark for that long between veg and flower. That just creates stress. Farmer john fourtwenty made that popular because he does it. If you watch his videos you can tell he doesn't know shit about plant lighting and feeding. very redundant nutrient line... anyway thats bad to do imo. That never happens in nature. Recreating nature will yield best results. I put them in the dark for 2 days right before I chop though. Calyx swell up more and 2-3 times the resin production.
with lighting schedule it all depends on strain.. With sativa dominant strains. I'm sure 14/10 13/11 will work fine but not for indica doms... My veg is on 20/4 in 10 days they will be transplanted into 7 gals then veg 20/4 for another 4-5 days then drop to 18/6 for 4 - 5days. Then 14/10 for a few days then gradually drop to 12/12 over a span of 7-10 days. By the start of week 3 they will be at 12/12. Well anyway that's my plan for the next batch.
In all honesty with pfr IR led and what not. It's all trial and error. Like I said there is no definitive answer. It's all strain dependent.
RedCarpetMatches
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Should start a thread on this far red. Everyone's prob like WTF are those geeks talking about...snort. I've always wanted to try the gradual day changes, but cannabis sure likes to take a beating. Tough ass plants get tough love. Think I'll supercrop a mainstem tomorrow lol.
hyroot
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My christmas tree trained ones I just supercropped the main stalk a few times and that's it. Just too initiate branching out and keep it going though. The LST ones I super cropped every branch a few times. The topped ones too. Then no super cropping the main liners. With super cropping I sort of follow Nugs main line rule of don't do anything until there is at least 6 nodes. I do all that during veg only. During flower I just rotate the plants.
We're just light nerds
. If you hear NASA scientists speak. You are like what the fuck is this guy saying. They're impossible to comprehend, They think so much faster than they can spit out the words to get out what they are trying to say. I'm like that sometimes too. Being a know it all genius has its drawbacks from time to time.
tkowitha123
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nah you just need to read a page or 2 back to know whats going on. I caught right up on hyroots light schedule and his talk about the setting sun with far red and uv light. Makes sense, do what the sun does for the region you plant would naturally grow to achieve best results.
st0wandgrow
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You're saying that by giving a plant 48 hours of darkness before you chop, you will have 2x-3x the resin production that you would have otherwise had if you just chopped the plant?
Sorry, but I find that hard to believe.
Mad Hamish
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Did he get Dr Tea'bagged'? OK I have got to go see for myself. Can't wait. Very reserved bunch of fellas, aside from Gas, he's a friggin laugh of note.I enjoyed your zing on Arlo. That guy gets on my nerves!
Bro, I've been at this for many years and from what I have seen there is no 'best' overall, only what suits your parameters. This includes experience, space AND BUDGET. To me personally, I see guys that have working rigs and go out and get the latest and greatest ballasts and bulbs 'because it is the best' in the same light as the guy that had an iPhone 3 and HAD to have the iPhone 4. Wish I had his money to waste.
Nice 1000w switchable digital ballast is a great investment. And I only got my new ones because I had the spare change and a buddy of mine is in dire straits so he's getting my mag ballasts for a while, but in the end it was just an excuse to upgrade. I reckon these old warhorses still have another 10 or 15 years in them as long as they don't sit in storage. I expect 5 or 6 years out of the electronic ballasts.
In absolutely every regard, I need to know more about the above paragraph. I shall go investigate
Fucking blender got me good again damn it. Just called em and they're sending a new one!!! The things we do and risk for this hobby.
RedCarpetMatches
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Nothing good Ham, just me being me lol. The PMs were the fun part.
May11th
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Thanks guys. That helps alot. Great info and read. Going to get my trimmers out and do some work. My veg plants are starting to take off finally. Blueberry X lavender looks like a great plant so far. Keep up the good work mates.
Gandalf, because of this thread and the people involved I know what I do and do what I do. I just from you guys and benefit
Gandalf, because of this thread and the people involved I know what I do and do what I do. I just from you guys and benefit
hyroot
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I've done side by side comparison a hundred times. It works. Plants know they are dying so they push out more resin as a by product of trying to produce seeds so their lineage can live on. They are not pollenated so instead the calyx swell and resin
increases. Obviously you never tried it....
RedCarpetMatches
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I've tried a lot if crazy shit, but never this. Do you have any research links?! I seen this in CMs journal and thought it was a typo lol.
Illegal Wonder
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I'd like to read up on this also. I've read that chopping after a dark period of 12 or more hours can help with the flavor. Something about the plant burning off something while in the dark.
Nizza
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i read something once about a study or something and it what i got out of the dark cycle, is that THC is developed as quick as it degrades in the dark cycle, the dark cycle will help ripen the plant, force it to push out some extra thc (thinking it's dying) and be more potent. By potent , i mean have more "active" ingredients, not more THC (probably same amount, but more of what it breaks down to (cbd whatever)
if you look at it as amber and milky, milky trichomes are produced still, as some degrade, resulting in higher potency overall. Degradation being higher than normal, but also production matches degradation
i always like to chop the tops off and let the bottoms go a few weeks, then do a dark cycle for a couple days , up to a week if i'm patient
the buds come out the way I like, and the dark cycle mumbo jumbo isn't "proven" but works for me.
if you look at it as amber and milky, milky trichomes are produced still, as some degrade, resulting in higher potency overall. Degradation being higher than normal, but also production matches degradation
i always like to chop the tops off and let the bottoms go a few weeks, then do a dark cycle for a couple days , up to a week if i'm patient
the buds come out the way I like, and the dark cycle mumbo jumbo isn't "proven" but works for me.