Out of 2,258 published peer reviewed articles on climate change...

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
1 rejects human activity for climate change... 1.


To me, one of the most fascinating aspects of climate change denial is how deniers essentially never publish in legitimate journals, but instead rely on talk shows, grossly error-laden op-eds, and hugely out-of-date claims (that were never right to start with).

In 2012, National Science Board member James Lawrence Powell investigated peer-reviewed literature published about climate change and found that out of 13,950 articles, 13,926 supported the reality of global warming. Despite a lot of sound and fury from the denial machine, deniers have not really been able to come up with a coherent argument against a consensus. The same is true for a somewhat different study that showed a 97 percent consensus among climate scientists supporting both the reality of global warming and the fact that human emissions are behind it.

Powell recently finished another such investigation, this time looking at peer-reviewed articles published between November 2012 and December 2013. Out of 2,258 articles (with 9,136 authors), how many do you think explicitly rejected human-driven global warming? Go on, guess!

One. Yes, one. Here’s what that looks like as a pie chart:


Huh. Here’s the thing: If you listen to Fox News, or right-wing radio, or read the denier blogs, you’d have to think climate scientists were complete idiots to miss how fake global warming is. Yet despite this incredibly obvious hoax, no one ever publishes evidence exposing it. Mind you, scientists are a contrary lot. If there were solid evidence that global warming didn’t exist, or that CO2 emissions weren’t the culprit, there would be papers in the journals about it. Lots of them.

I base this on my own experience with contrary data in astronomy. In 1998, two teams of researchers found evidence that the expansion of the Universe was not slowing down, as expected, but actually speeding up. This idea is as crazy as holding a ball in your hand, letting go, and having it fall up, accelerating wildly into the sky. Yet those papers got published. They inspired lively discussion (to say the least) and motivated further observations. Careful, meticulous work was done to eliminate errors and confounding factors, until it became very clear that we were seeing an overturning of the previous paradigm. It took years, but now astronomers accept that the Universal expansion is accelerating and that dark energy is the culprit.

Mind you, dark energy is far, far weirder than anything climate change deniers have come up with, yet it became mainstream science in a decade or so. Deniers have been bloviating for longer than that, yet their claims are rejected overwhelmingly by climate scientists. Why? Because they’re wrong.

Of course, if you listen to some politicians, you’d never know. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), for example, still claims it’s all a hoax. Of course, he still thinks Climategate was a thing, when it’s been shown repeatedly to have been totally manufactured. He also thinks global warming must be wrong because it got cold outside. With all due respect to the senator, he’d fail middle school science. Good thing he’s on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. His denial of reality is joined by three-fourths of the Republicans on the House Science Committee, who still have their heads firmly buried in the sand.

Happily, though, there is opposition. Democrats in the Senate are pushing for Congress to take this situation more seriously, forming a “Climate Action Task Force” whose goal is to “wake up Congress.” They want to help organize civil groups to pressure senators into taking action about climate change.

Let me make a none-too-subtle political point here. Climate change deniers in politics and in the media are overwhelmingly Republican (or “free market libertarians,” who have aligned themselves to virtual indistinguishability from the GOP, or more likely vice versa). When I write on the politics of this issue I get accused of being biased, which is ironic indeed. I didn’t start this fight, nor did I draw the partisan lines. I’m just shining a light on them. I know some pro-science Republicans, but the ones in elected office are few and far between.
The basic science of global warming is independent of party line. It doesn’t care if you’re left, right, black, white, straight, gay, pro-gun, pro-abortion rights, pro-GMO, or pro-vaccine. It’s real, and it affects all of us. Mission No. 1 is to get people to understand this, and then to get them to elect politicians who do as well.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/01/14/climate_change_another_study_shows_they_don_t_publish_actual_papers.html
 

PetFlora

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Based on how you wrote this, I can only assume you also buy the governments story about 911, and yet the facts about how and why are everywhere
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Based on how you wrote this, I can only assume you also buy the governments story about 911, and yet the facts about how and why are everywhere


Meaning what? that everything he wrote was wrong because he doesn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job?
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
I hate that pollution has become political. But there is a lot of money involved, a lot of control involved, so here we are.

Whether you believe in GW or not, the solutions that would stop pollution would stop GW. Nobody should be allowed to shit in their neighbors yard.
 

BigNBushy

Well-Known Member
1 rejects human activity for climate change... 1.


To me, one of the most fascinating aspects of climate change denial is how deniers essentially never publish in legitimate journals, but instead rely on talk shows, grossly error-laden op-eds, and hugely out-of-date claims (that were never right to start with).

In 2012, National Science Board member James Lawrence Powell investigated peer-reviewed literature published about climate change and found that out of 13,950 articles, 13,926 supported the reality of global warming. Despite a lot of sound and fury from the denial machine, deniers have not really been able to come up with a coherent argument against a consensus. The same is true for a somewhat different study that showed a 97 percent consensus among climate scientists supporting both the reality of global warming and the fact that human emissions are behind it.

Powell recently finished another such investigation, this time looking at peer-reviewed articles published between November 2012 and December 2013. Out of 2,258 articles (with 9,136 authors), how many do you think explicitly rejected human-driven global warming? Go on, guess!

One. Yes, one. Here’s what that looks like as a pie chart:


Huh. Here’s the thing: If you listen to Fox News, or right-wing radio, or read the denier blogs, you’d have to think climate scientists were complete idiots to miss how fake global warming is. Yet despite this incredibly obvious hoax, no one ever publishes evidence exposing it. Mind you, scientists are a contrary lot. If there were solid evidence that global warming didn’t exist, or that CO2 emissions weren’t the culprit, there would be papers in the journals about it. Lots of them.

I base this on my own experience with contrary data in astronomy. In 1998, two teams of researchers found evidence that the expansion of the Universe was not slowing down, as expected, but actually speeding up. This idea is as crazy as holding a ball in your hand, letting go, and having it fall up, accelerating wildly into the sky. Yet those papers got published. They inspired lively discussion (to say the least) and motivated further observations. Careful, meticulous work was done to eliminate errors and confounding factors, until it became very clear that we were seeing an overturning of the previous paradigm. It took years, but now astronomers accept that the Universal expansion is accelerating and that dark energy is the culprit.

Mind you, dark energy is far, far weirder than anything climate change deniers have come up with, yet it became mainstream science in a decade or so. Deniers have been bloviating for longer than that, yet their claims are rejected overwhelmingly by climate scientists. Why? Because they’re wrong.

Of course, if you listen to some politicians, you’d never know. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), for example, still claims it’s all a hoax. Of course, he still thinks Climategate was a thing, when it’s been shown repeatedly to have been totally manufactured. He also thinks global warming must be wrong because it got cold outside. With all due respect to the senator, he’d fail middle school science. Good thing he’s on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. His denial of reality is joined by three-fourths of the Republicans on the House Science Committee, who still have their heads firmly buried in the sand.

Happily, though, there is opposition. Democrats in the Senate are pushing for Congress to take this situation more seriously, forming a “Climate Action Task Force” whose goal is to “wake up Congress.” They want to help organize civil groups to pressure senators into taking action about climate change.

Let me make a none-too-subtle political point here. Climate change deniers in politics and in the media are overwhelmingly Republican (or “free market libertarians,” who have aligned themselves to virtual indistinguishability from the GOP, or more likely vice versa). When I write on the politics of this issue I get accused of being biased, which is ironic indeed. I didn’t start this fight, nor did I draw the partisan lines. I’m just shining a light on them. I know some pro-science Republicans, but the ones in elected office are few and far between.
The basic science of global warming is independent of party line. It doesn’t care if you’re left, right, black, white, straight, gay, pro-gun, pro-abortion rights, pro-GMO, or pro-vaccine. It’s real, and it affects all of us. Mission No. 1 is to get people to understand this, and then to get them to elect politicians who do as well.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/01/14/climate_change_another_study_shows_they_don_t_publish_actual_papers.html
Well, someone has to be the smartest person on the planet...
 

UncleBuck

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Well, someone has to be the smartest person on the planet...

The switch of world powers first to decreasing the use of fossil fuel and then to carbon-free energy within the framework of the Kyoto Protocol may lead to economic collapse for Russia as a consequence of the reduction and, probably, even loss of the possibility to sell oil and natural gas on the world market.
- S.V. Avakyan, the lone dissenter.

looks like the dissenter is the one making a political argument, not the 2,257 scientists who reached the other conclusion.
 

hydrosoil78

Active Member
Human activity is causing global warming, is the conclusion. C02 emissions, gas exhaust, coal power, traps heat in the atmosphere. So now they are looking for new planets to move to instead of growing hemp.
Every business that pollutes the air should have to pay for acres and acres of hemp, it sequesters CO2 even if you turn the whole crop into the dirt each season. Paying fees for polluting is meaningless.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Our Earth has natural defenses against green house gases. We are raping those defenses at alarming rates. I would much rather we focused our energies there. Hemp is just one of the ways. Any big, leafy tree dependent on region would also help.
 

Red1966

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How much credence can we give to someone who repeats the lie that "97% of scientists agree".
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Our Earth has natural defenses against green house gases. We are raping those defenses at alarming rates. I would much rather we focused our energies there. Hemp is just one of the ways. Any big, leafy tree dependent on region would also help.
Those defenses are wearing thin. Over geological time, the pCO2 that maintained the best temperatures for life on earth have been trending toward zero. Now they are down to .025 per cent. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room left. Within a coupla hundred millkion years, even total greenhouse gas removal won't suffice to counteract the slow, inexorable brightening of the sun. By then, of course, i fully expect us to have the entire Galaxy as our playground, and the good sense to leave planets alone. They are the cradles of the next "generation".
 

BigNBushy

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I find it ironic to prove his point the OP draws a comparison to a theory; the theory was widely accepted by everyone, to challenge it would be insane.

Eventually, ONE group of people did some research, and overturned the theory... giving us a new one.

Look, I would tend to agree that human activity is having some impact. I have heard evidence to suggest that we are in a warming pattern anyway. I have also heard that Mars is also experiencing "global warming." But since there aren't any SUVs on Mars it must be caused by something else I've heard; the Sun is in an active phase right now whereby it is putting out more energy.

The Earth has been around for what, 5 billion years? The Sun is another few billion years older. Man came along 100-200 thousand years ago. We learned how to measure temperature accurately just last century.

I don't think we know as much as we think we know.

Also, there is something another poster on this site once asked that I had never really considered. I've heard nothing of the consequences that sound so bad. Ocean levels rise some, some cities will be lost, some will have to build seawalls. So, that doesn't affect me none.

It is going to get a little warmer... Ok, great, more farmland, and longer growing seasons in the northern latitudes, where so much of the Earth's land surface is. Think of how productive Siberia and Canada could be with warmer, longer growing seasons.

Plants fucking love CO2.

I seriously have not heard anyone give a compelling reason why I should give a shit.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Those defenses are wearing thin. Over geological time, the pCO2 that maintained the best temperatures for life on earth have been trending toward zero. Now they are down to .025 per cent. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room left. Within a coupla hundred millkion years, even total greenhouse gas removal won't suffice to counteract the slow, inexorable brightening of the sun. By then, of course, i fully expect us to have the entire Galaxy as our playground, and the good sense to leave planets alone. They are the cradles of the next "generation".
That's where I see us going eventually. Colonizing the galaxy. It will be long after we are gone, but let's hope Shirley Jones is right and one of our reincarnations get to enjoy it.
.025% is frightening.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Our Earth has natural defenses against green house gases.
our earth won't warm unless it's a legitimate greenhouse gas. i've heard doctors say the earth has ways to shut the whole hting down if it's not legitimate.

goddamn i love republican science.
 

squarepush3r

Well-Known Member
I hate that pollution has become political. But there is a lot of money involved, a lot of control involved, so here we are.

Whether you believe in GW or not, the solutions that would stop pollution would stop GW. Nobody should be allowed to shit in their neighbors yard.
since when is CO2 "pollution" ?
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
our earth won't warm unless it's a legitimate greenhouse gas. i've heard doctors say the earth has ways to shut the whole hting down if it's not legitimate.

goddamn i love republican science.
OMG what an idiot you've exposed yourself as.

It's amazing to me that ANYONE on a pot forum wouldn't at least have a very basic understanding of plant function.

And when you made it about republicans, democrats all over cringed and were thinking shut up you fool, they'll think we're all as dumb as you.

go start another "look at me" thread.
 
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