So you're saying that your news sources are more accurate and reliable?
I'll bet you can't back that up with any proof, in fact, I know you can't. You know what they say about opinions.
And so God made a liberal
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I'll bet you can't back that up with any proof, in fact, I know you can't. You know what they say about opinions.
Pinworm
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Are you saying that your news sources are accurate and reliable?
Nah dude, I asked a question.
Pinworm
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Me too......
st0wandgrow
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Hi Uncle Ben ..... you racist old coot
lilroach
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My final thoughts on this thread (hopefully).
Honestly, there's really not that much difference between liberals and conservatives as far as wanting the best for our nation and planet.....And there's even less difference between Democrats and Republicans as far as "politics as usual". "Two piles....same smell" describes how I feel about both parties. While both say they're working for the middle class, they pander to the deep pockets of the rich shelling out political favors to the rich at the expense of tax payers.
On Election Day we as voters have the choices of picking the least of two evils, or staying home and saying "fuck-it"....which more than half the registered voters do each election. Our candidates have been picked by the very same deep pockets long before we cast our ballets.
Once elected, our so-called representatives spend 30% of their time holding their hand out for campaign contributions, 30% of their time not being in Washington, and the rest of their time doing their best to obstruct the "other side" from gaining any political edge. In the meantime nothing gets accomplished except back-room deals passed in the middle of the night.
In the not so distant future, the economic house of cards will tumble, and all that can-kicking our politicians are so famous for will end up at the end of the road with all American's suffering like we've never suffered before. Real Draconian cuts will have to be made at the expense of the poor and elderly, and the working youth will be burdened with over 50% of their income being taxed to try to make ends meet. The decades of irresponsible politicians that made all these ill-adivised decisions will either be dead or sitting on their fat retirements.
So we can point fingers at liberals and conservatives and nothing will change....but we can stop being irresponsible citizens of this country and stand up and be counted.
Honestly, there's really not that much difference between liberals and conservatives as far as wanting the best for our nation and planet.....And there's even less difference between Democrats and Republicans as far as "politics as usual". "Two piles....same smell" describes how I feel about both parties. While both say they're working for the middle class, they pander to the deep pockets of the rich shelling out political favors to the rich at the expense of tax payers.
On Election Day we as voters have the choices of picking the least of two evils, or staying home and saying "fuck-it"....which more than half the registered voters do each election. Our candidates have been picked by the very same deep pockets long before we cast our ballets.
Once elected, our so-called representatives spend 30% of their time holding their hand out for campaign contributions, 30% of their time not being in Washington, and the rest of their time doing their best to obstruct the "other side" from gaining any political edge. In the meantime nothing gets accomplished except back-room deals passed in the middle of the night.
In the not so distant future, the economic house of cards will tumble, and all that can-kicking our politicians are so famous for will end up at the end of the road with all American's suffering like we've never suffered before. Real Draconian cuts will have to be made at the expense of the poor and elderly, and the working youth will be burdened with over 50% of their income being taxed to try to make ends meet. The decades of irresponsible politicians that made all these ill-adivised decisions will either be dead or sitting on their fat retirements.
So we can point fingers at liberals and conservatives and nothing will change....but we can stop being irresponsible citizens of this country and stand up and be counted.
Pinworm
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[video=youtube;hOoOc1pnZaY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOoOc1pnZaY&bpctr=1390267190[/video]
Uncle Ben
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Depends on who you ask. According to this site it's 23%. http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts Just ask the man or woman that's been looking for a job for over a year and is losing his home to the lender, what they think of Obama's numbers. Having said that, in central Texas labor is in demand and that includes from the bottom to the top. Have a friend that lives near downtown Austin and I asked him about it. He said, "folks move to Austin without a job or a house and within 2 weeks they find both."
Then you have the under or marginally employed. Those who lost that 100K job and whose pride and integrity won't allow them to draw welfare or unemployment so they're still looking while flipping burgers at the big M. Here's Forbe's take, a magazine with the utmost respect -
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2013/07/05/why-the-real-unemployment-rate-is-higher-than-you-think/
Off topic - Lilroach don't know if you like to read but if you want an EXCELLENT take on politics without the partisanship bullshit, you got to get Charles Krauthammer's Things That Matter: Three Decades of Passions, Pastimes and Politics http://www.amazon.com/Things-That-Matter-Passions-Pastimes/dp/0385349173 Just started it, it fascinating.
UB
Doer
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Hey, you stinky gas cloud of nothing good, produced by an ugly bag of nearly water.
st0wandgrow
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Disagree. Conservatives are selfish, liberals are not. Conservatives don't give a shit about the planet, or other people, and only concern themselves with an issue if it personally affects them.
Broad brush but generally true.
ginwilly
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I keep seeing liberal vs conservative, democrat vs republican, when I've noticed the real difference is collectivism vs individualism. There are collectivists on both sides doing damage. The hypocrisy of collectivism has brought us both the moral majority and politically correct agendas. I'm just not a fan. You can see how they conflate and justify their stances with emotion instead of logic. (I understand psychology plays a large role in economic factors, so emotion is important, not saying it's not)
Two simple questions exposes the hypocrisy on both sides of the collective thought.
1) do you support a woman's right to abortion? why?
2) do you support a 50 year old gay male's right to purchase an insurance policy without maternity coverage? why?
one side says no, yes, the other says yes, no.
Both left and right collectivists have caused damage to our way of life. A free society and free economy has historically been the most advanced and successful, yet collectivists are not happy until they can alter this in their image. Not a fan of either side doing this. Each side of the collectivist argument is only fine when it's THEIR image, not the other collectivists. I'm not a fan.
So while I understand most liberals to be collectivist, not all collectivists are liberal. In fact, it's trending toward liberal, but it wasn't long ago that the conservatives were the worst. "The greater good" is euphemism for "what I think is best, so everyone must conform".
That's how we get stupid laws like in our war on drugs, UEIGA, Patriot Act and the UCA.
Uncle Ben
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Bullshit, don't know what liberal propaganda teat you're sucking but they have you hooked on the kool aid. Here's a black man's take along with John Stossel who have the facts. Giving thru the government is NOT charity because it's forced. Romney gave millions to charity but you won't hear such facts on ABC, NBC, or CBS. http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4478336/whos-more-charitable-republicans-or-democrats/#sp=show-clips
Curious, do you volunteer for any community or civic based groups? Do you pick up litter alongside the highway? I do, so cut the lame stereotyping. It makes you look like a goofball.
lilroach
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Being an Independent I have the luxury of stepping back from the whole Dems vs. GOP thing and see things without having to defend one side or the other.
I'm sure there's a degree of selfishness in the GOP, but probably no more than the Democrats. I never understood how anyone would feel that just because someone's from a certain party would indicate how much they care for our planet or fellow man. Way back in the mid-90's when I was a republican I not only gave to charities, but was actively involved in three different ones and worked along side other republicans.
I am sorry that you feel as you do.
Uncle Ben
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Ask him about the traffic! We avoid Austin like the plaque, but we're also spoiled by a laid back (but very sophisticated) rural farming and ranching community.
st0wandgrow
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I've donated more of my time and money than you ever would in 3 lifetimes.
Your idea of giving back is bitching at noobs on that ego-massaging thread of yours.
st0wandgrow
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Great job dumping petro-chemical products all over the rural farming community.
Another example of conservatives not giving a shit about the planet or others.
st0wandgrow
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I didn't say democrat vs republican. I said conservative vs liberal. There is a difference.
Look at Dick Cheney. He spent his entire political career railing against LGBT issues. His daughter comes out of the closet, and all of a sudden he's this big advocate for gay rights. Why? Because he's a selfish conservative. He didn't give a shit about the issue until it personally affected him.
Liberal tolerance at it's finest.