Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

[homebrewer]

Hey Homebrewer!
I was taking one aspect of your info and seeing how it relates to mainstream brands and their instructions.

I am referring to your flowering ratio of 1-3-2

I find most brands hard to tweak to those numbers no matter how you work the 2 or 3 main parts that that line uses

Here is what I get with Dyna Gro not including ptotect

dyna grow---grow---7-9-5
dyna grow---bloom--3-12-6


2 part bloom to 1 part grow
13-33-17
1.3-3.3-1.7=


1.04-2.64-1.36


3 parts bloom to 1 part grow
16-45-23
1.6-4.5-2.3=


1.056-2.97-1.52




4 parts bloom to 1 part grow
21-57-29
2.1-5.7-2.9=


1.01-2.74-1.392


GH maxi series cant get very close nor can GH flors 3 part line.


Info on the actual ratios of all the nutrients you use would be cool!
Thanx

Currently I've been testing bloom and foliage pro, it also works really well though I don't think it's quite as pH-stable as grow/bloom. It's still a work in progress though.

If you started out flower with a 50/50 mix of grow/bloom, then transitioned to a little more bloom and a little less grow after the stretch, I think that's a recipe for success.

 

[bassman999]

Currently I've been testing bloom and foliage pro, it also works really well though I don't think it's quite as pH-stable as grow/bloom. It's still a work in progress though.

If you started out flower with a 50/50 mix of grow/bloom, then transitioned to a little more bloom and a little less grow after the stretch, I think that's a recipe for success.

I am thinking about the KISS method as its called.

This is the Maxibloom used stand alone, maybe add humic and fulvic acids and even some mycos.

Not sure how effective these additives are in hempy, so I am still researching.

I appreciate the time you take to try different brands and do comparisons all the while posting pics and your insights.

 

[joe macclennan]

I've been using closer to 70/30 gro/bloom for the first three weeks.

Pretty happy with it...needs a few tweeks but i'm close I believe.

hydro, f&d

 

[j.ride]

Hey homebrewer, I just registered to say thank you, thank you, thank you. I've watched some friends grows over the past decade but have only recently decided to try it myself. I had a buddy bring over a bunch of stuff to get me started, including 5 bottles of crap and a complex mixing chart --- just for veg. Apparently there was double the bottles for flower. Life has taught me that there usually is an easier and better way to do things so I searched for it and luckily stumbled across your thread.

As far as I'm concerned, dyna-gro is already proven, as you have shown. My buddy kept shaking his head and going "well.... let's be realistic here, there's no way one bottle of stuff can compete but we'll see" "we'll see how it tastes...." "we'll see what yield is like..." and on and on. I think this is a perfect example of human psychology. People hang on to their old systems and their old ways because they don't want to admit to themselves that they could have been doing it better all this time. They don't want to admit that they don't know everything.

 

[homebrewer]

Hey homebrewer, I just registered to say thank you, thank you, thank you. I've watched some friends grows over the past decade but have only recently decided to try it myself. I had a buddy bring over a bunch of stuff to get me started, including 5 bottles of crap and a complex mixing chart --- just for veg. Apparently there was double the bottles for flower. Life has taught me that there usually is an easier and better way to do things so I searched for it and luckily stumbled across your thread.

As far as I'm concerned, dyna-gro is already proven, as you have shown. My buddy kept shaking his head and going "well.... let's be realistic here, there's no way one bottle of stuff can compete but we'll see" "we'll see how it tastes...." "we'll see what yield is like..." and on and on. I think this is a perfect example of human psychology. People hang on to their old systems and their old ways because they don't want to admit to themselves that they could have been doing it better all this time. They don't want to admit that they don't know everything.

Don't leave us hanging....how'd things turn out?

 

[j.ride]

Oh, my bad! The end result is still TBD. I literally just started this and don't even have anything in flower yet. So far, so good, I haven't managed to kill anything and the ladies are looking as healthy as can be. I'll let you know in a few months. It's going to be one of those subjective tests where my buddy knows his strains and how they do under his system. We will compare, but it will be a biased test and also not account for the environmental differences between our grows. Thanks to your information, I'm already convinced that dyna-gro is the way to go and don't really care to waste time mixing 5-10 different things everyday for 3 months just to see.

I'm growing in promix and as I understand it, you're now recommending grow or foliage pro + protekt the whole way through and that is it. Is that correct? Have you seen any difference between grow and foliage pro in promix? I'm thinking of playing with this myself but I need to get a baseline established first.

I also took your advice and got some info from my water company. I dropped your screen name and everyone went out of their way to help! You must be royalty or something. Here's the info and any comment would be most welcome. My TDS pen shows 155 out of the tap.

Analyte	Units	Average	Min	Max
Alkalinity	mgCaCO3/L	84	42	136
Calcium	mg/L	35	22	48
Chloride	mg/L	47	14	92
Conductivity	µmhos/cm	500	250	744
Fluoride	mg/L	0.8	0.5	1.0
Hardness-Ca	mgCaCO3/L	87	55	121
Hardness-Total	mgCaCO3/L	120	72	188
pH	SU	7.58	7.11	7.96
Sodium	mg/L	46	19	90
Sulfate	mg/L	65	31	106

 

[homebrewer]

Oh, my bad! The end result is still TBD. I literally just started this and don't even have anything in flower yet. So far, so good, I haven't managed to kill anything and the ladies are looking as healthy as can be. I'll let you know in a few months. It's going to be one of those subjective tests where my buddy knows his strains and how they do under his system. We will compare, but it will be a biased test and also not account for the environmental differences between our grows. Thanks to your information, I'm already convinced that dyna-gro is the way to go and don't really care to waste time mixing 5-10 different things everyday for 3 months just to see.

In all likelihood, your friend will probably do better than you but that's just because he's more experienced.

I'm growing in promix and as I understand it, you're now recommending grow or foliage pro + protekt the whole way through and that is it. Is that correct? Have you seen any difference between grow and foliage pro in promix? I'm thinking of playing with this myself but I need to get a baseline established first.

Yup! I prefer foliage pro and protekt but grow will work very well too!

I also took your advice and got some info from my water company. I dropped your screen name and everyone went out of their way to help! You must be royalty or something. Here's the info and any comment would be most welcome. My TDS pen shows 155 out of the tap.

Analyte	Units	Average	Min	Max
Alkalinity	mgCaCO3/L	84	42	136
Calcium	mg/L	35	22	48
Chloride	mg/L	47	14	92
Conductivity	µmhos/cm	500	250	744
Fluoride	mg/L	0.8	0.5	1.0
Hardness-Ca	mgCaCO3/L	87	55	121
Hardness-Total	mgCaCO3/L	120	72	188
pH	SU	7.58	7.11	7.96
Sodium	mg/L	46	19	90
Sulfate	mg/L	65	31	106

They probably thought you were a homebrewer as it's quite common for brewers to request this sort of info. In regards to your water, I'd look into RO. However, if it's working well for you now, run with it.

 

[j.ride]

They probably thought you were a homebrewer as it's quite common for brewers to request this sort of info.

I'll have to work on my sarcasm Thanks again for the info and I'll let you know how it turns out.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Whats the reason you guys are recommending PROTEKT with the Foliage Pro? Is there some particualr reason or just that you like to add Silica?

 

[joe macclennan]

protekt is good with all of em imo.

the silica helps build strong stems as well as added pest and drought resistance.....good stuff

 

[homebrewer]

Whats the reason you guys are recommending PROTEKT with the Foliage Pro? Is there some particualr reason or just that you like to add Silica?

I agree with Joe. Some say you don't need to worry about pH when growing in the dirt but if I can control something, I'm going to control it. So for me, protekt has that dual purpose of balancing my pH AND strengthening my plants.

 

[rjh852]

Homebrewer. You are absolutely the man. I greatly appreciated all of the knowledge you have shared with us. Especially in an industry that profits off keeping "secrets", and concocting "magic potions", that are expected to then outperform the more fairly priced items on the market. I have been following you for probably 3 years here in backround and had to make this my first post. I am no longer a beleiver in all of the hype. I understand your philosophy of using a meter (funny I remember when you didn't have one and still had great results) to determine the right range. I understand what nutrients you used. Although I've seen you change from the bloom formula to the grow, and heard others chime in with the foliage pro. I am making the switch from GH so I have many of their additives and plan on keeping FB and FP+, dropping botanicare SB and Calmag, and grabbing PM and PT from DG. Could you possibly make a "finalized" recipe of what you found to be the absolute best ml/gl and whatnot, and what weeks you changed it. I was hoping to just print it out and I'm sure it would be easier for everyone. Its like the simplified, more complete version of the Lucas formula. I am hoping this may contribute in some way replicating the flavors and aromas created in soil grows. It must atleast be a step in the right direction. Sorry to type a novel, first post and all lol. I just want a HB "master recipe" as of today. I think the GH vs DG was 2010. So where are you at week by week in 2014? Id like to throw my GH feed chart away and use yours start to finish and week by week. Im a pain in the ass but could you make a schedule like that for us all? I think it would benefit everyone. Using the FB and FP, ProM ProT, and whater you find is the best base Foliage Prow, Grow, Bloom, and in what increments. I would like the best product, So buying both isnt a problem if it will give me better results. I appreciate everything you do man. You are making things easier for everyone, pretty selfless act in this hobby.

 

[homebrewer]

Homebrewer. You are absolutely the man. I greatly appreciated all of the knowledge you have shared with us. Especially in an industry that profits off keeping "secrets", and concocting "magic potions", that are expected to then outperform the more fairly priced items on the market. I have been following you for probably 3 years here in backround and had to make this my first post. I am no longer a beleiver in all of the hype. I understand your philosophy of using a meter (funny I remember when you didn't have one and still had great results) to determine the right range. I understand what nutrients you used. Although I've seen you change from the bloom formula to the grow, and heard others chime in with the foliage pro. I am making the switch from GH so I have many of their additives and plan on keeping FB and FP+, dropping botanicare SB and Calmag, and grabbing PM and PT from DG. Could you possibly make a "finalized" recipe of what you found to be the absolute best ml/gl and whatnot, and what weeks you changed it. I was hoping to just print it out and I'm sure it would be easier for everyone. Its like the simplified, more complete version of the Lucas formula. I am hoping this may contribute in some way replicating the flavors and aromas created in soil grows. It must atleast be a step in the right direction. Sorry to type a novel, first post and all lol. I just want a HB "master recipe" as of today. I think the GH vs DG was 2010. So where are you at week by week in 2014? Id like to throw my GH feed chart away and use yours start to finish and week by week. Im a pain in the ass but could you make a schedule like that for us all? I think it would benefit everyone. Using the FB and FP, ProM ProT, and whater you find is the best base Foliage Prow, Grow, Bloom, and in what increments. I would like the best product, So buying both isnt a problem if it will give me better results. I appreciate everything you do man. You are making things easier for everyone, pretty selfless act in this hobby.

You touched on the use of a meter in your post and that's really the best way to find out what your plants like. That being said, my schedule may or may not work for you in your room which is why I encourage people to feed per ppm/EC and not a set schedule. Are you in promix or hydro? In promix, I thing the 'maintenance' directions on the DG bottles are a good place to start. These days I like Foliage Pro and protekt. In hydro, I've definitely covered the EC I prefer for veg and flower but my 'schedule' is always changing. These days I'm working with foliage pro in veg and combos of foliage pro + bloom in flower. I use enough protekt on the veg and flower side to balance the pH.

 

[rjh852]

I'm in hydro. DWC/aero hybrid. I was more hoping for a general rule of thumb type schedule. I have 3 1000w for 12 medical plants, and c02 in a sealed room. I understand the ppm and where is too high, I understand when I need to cut back or add more. I think I can take the ppm to the max for each strains limits. Between the schedule DG provides and your journals I can definitely figure it out. Thanks for all of your hard work HB

 

[Thedillestpickle]

Hey there HomeBrewer, glad to see you are still active.
I took a couples years break from growing, but I'm thinking of ordering up some AK-47 seeds from SS.

The plan is to grow 4 plants under a 1000w. Everything about AK-47 sounds great, good aroma, good yield, consistent reliable genetics, etc. I was thinking to do a long veg to take advantage of all that light for only 4 plants. The plan would be to top my plants early in veg, to obtain 4 main colas.


Is AK one of those strains that "doesn't like" to be topped?
It worked really amazingly when I double topped the Kali Mist grow(too bad most of my grow posts were deleted in 2012), with each plant growing out 4 identical Colas.


I am hoping the "very little branching" trait of the AK-47 will work in my favour. Top early in veg, then top again, to create 4 shoots. Flower that into 4 distinct colas.

Any thoughts? strain suggestions?

 

[homebrewer]

Hey there HomeBrewer, glad to see you are still active.
I took a couples years break from growing, but I'm thinking of ordering up some AK-47 seeds from SS.

The plan is to grow 4 plants under a 1000w. Everything about AK-47 sounds great, good aroma, good yield, consistent reliable genetics, etc. I was thinking to do a long veg to take advantage of all that light for only 4 plants. The plan would be to top my plants early in veg, to obtain 4 main colas.


Is AK one of those strains that "doesn't like" to be topped?
It worked really amazingly when I double topped the Kali Mist grow(too bad most of my grow posts were deleted in 2012), with each plant growing out 4 identical Colas.


I am hoping the "very little branching" trait of the AK-47 will work in my favour. Top early in veg, then top again, to create 4 shoots. Flower that into 4 distinct colas.

Any thoughts? strain suggestions?

How'd the Kali Mist turn out for you? She's still my favorite strain!

As far as I know, AK47 is still a solid, reliable strain. In my experience, AK is very branchy and does like to be topped. You could spend less money and go with a different breeder/Seed Company but from what I've seen, you wont have a problem finding a keeper in a pack of AK47. There are a ton a strains and crosses out there though, do a little research and see what fits you best. PM me for some suggestions if you'd like.

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Got a room running right now of just Foliage Pro. Heading into week 3 right now. Nice and green but not quite as much size as id like to see. I am happy not to see any yellowing however. I add 2ml of Calmg as well.

Question for you guys flowering with FP, What type of PPM/ EC are you pushing it to? Im up to 600 now. Which IMO, is pretty high for the FP. The other room running Advanced is pushing 900 now to get us through some yellowing.

 

[homebrewer]

Got a room running right now of just Foliage Pro. Heading into week 3 right now. Nice and green but not quite as much size as id like to see. I am happy not to see any yellowing however. I add 2ml of Calmg as well.

Question for you guys flowering with FP, What type of PPM/ EC are you pushing it to? Im up to 600 now. Which IMO, is pretty high for the FP. The other room running Advanced is pushing 900 now to get us through some yellowing.

Hydro or 'dirt'?

 

[Lucius Vorenus]

Hydro or 'dirt'?

Pure Coco.

 

[homebrewer]

Your ideal EC/ppm is really based on a few things. How much you water, how often you water, and the size of your plant. Some feed at every watering, others feed heavier doses every-other-watering. I would start with their recommend 'maintenance' dose which is either 1/4-1/2 tsp/gal and tweak from there. If your plant is green and healthy then you're doing something right.

One thing I *think* I remember noticing about foliage pro on my first couple 'test plants' is that the plants didn't seem to put on weight very fast BUT unlike bloom formulas that will clog up your medium with an imbalance of salts, foliage pro (or any other high N, low P formula) keeps your plants growing up until the day you harvest. Be patient with foliage pro. If you are using it correctly, it will put on weight like no other food I've used. I'd certainly put money on it out performing even the most complex of feeding schedules from AN.

Here is a recent pollen-chuck of mine that's only ever been fed protekt and foliage pro at day 48 ..