Super Coco???

[indica4sativa]

put in amendments. for example. say you harvest 8 3 gallon pots. shake off alllllllllll the dirt/ coco. those roots that are left SHOULD get cut up and thrown in your compost pile. that will add to the food for the microbes in your compost. meanwhile everything that is left over (soil/ coco) should be washed thoroughly through screens ((usually only with coco) soil needs no screen) but regardless wash/flush the coco/soil for months. like once a week for 3 months.. when i re used my soil i would let it sit out over an entire season. i know some people wash it over weekly for a few months to make sure all salts and bullshit are off. after that, you shuold use any amendments you planned on using before hand when you were going to make your soil. I completely understand recycling the soil/coco bc of the microbial life but unless you make your own from the get and have all of the amendments to begin with youll be buyin the super coco and all of the amendments to re amend it when you recycle. ill be honest, if you do a couple tricks i tell you, you can easily get 5 crusty white zips per 3 gallon using this stuff and proper microbe feeding. but basically, everything is eating and depleted after your cycle. meaning you would have to re add everything, bone meal, blood meal, feather meal, guanos, azomite, all the other minerals, the kelp, crab meal, you have to re add everything after your cycle is complete if u plan on re using the soil/coco. This product is good enough for you to fill 4, 3 gallon pots. one bag is like 30 bucks. you cant beat that bro. i use 7 gallons. 4 under each 1000 and i get almost a gram a watt. and im TOTTALLY organic. no bullshit EDTA chemicals. i still use organic vitamin b and Camg. but im just really big on microbes and fungi additives.

 

[knix2for5]

put in amendments. for example. say you harvest 8 3 gallon pots. shake off alllllllllll the dirt/ coco. those roots that are left SHOULD get cut up and thrown in your compost pile. that will add to the food for the microbes in your compost. meanwhile everything that is left over (soil/ coco) should be washed thoroughly through screens ((usually only with coco) soil needs no screen) but regardless wash/flush the coco/soil for months. like once a week for 3 months.. when i re used my soil i would let it sit out over an entire season. i know some people wash it over weekly for a few months to make sure all salts and bullshit are off. after that, you shuold use any amendments you planned on using before hand when you were going to make your soil. I completely understand recycling the soil/coco bc of the microbial life but unless you make your own from the get and have all of the amendments to begin with youll be buyin the super coco and all of the amendments to re amend it when you recycle. ill be honest, if you do a couple tricks i tell you, you can easily get 5 crusty white zips per 3 gallon using this stuff and proper microbe feeding. but basically, everything is eating and depleted after your cycle. meaning you would have to re add everything, bone meal, blood meal, feather meal, guanos, azomite, all the other minerals, the kelp, crab meal, you have to re add everything after your cycle is complete if u plan on re using the soil/coco. This product is good enough for you to fill 4, 3 gallon pots. one bag is like 30 bucks. you cant beat that bro. i use 7 gallons. 4 under each 1000 and i get almost a gram a watt. and im TOTTALLY organic. no bullshit EDTA chemicals. i still use organic vitamin b and Camg. but im just really big on microbes and fungi additives.

Hi my name is knix I've been a lerker on RIU for a couple years and I have some questions for the supercoco users such as yourself . I know this is a year old but i am new to organics and coco. I also would like to know more about super coco and was thinking of actually making some from scratch with same organic ingredients . I believe if I made it would be getting more and last me longer in the long run. I had a couple ?'s on the subject . How long I should cook the coco with amendments in it ? I was thinking of running 28gal trash can so I can get just 1 big plant in a scrog thinking about plasma lighting with led suplemental as well in a 4x4 tent do you guys think it would yield reasonable amounts ? When you flush ( if you flush ) does the coco leech out everything in the coco as far as the amendments after 1 cycle from veg to bloom ? When you flush are you using just ph water and how easy is the flush ? As far as it breaking back down in compost does it keep its state as coco or does it break down even further into a soil ? What amendments do you have to add back to coco after the cycle do you re-add all amendments ? If so what ratio do you add these amendments ? I hope the good people on this forum that have experience can give us new users a little insight on organic coco use as well as maybe some insight on organic composting of this material as well. Thank you guys for helping and reading my post !

knix

 

[indica4sativa]

these are what my veg plants look like with super coco. its marionberry kush and 9 # hammer from TGA

 

[indica4sativa]

honestly, if your new to the organics game i will give you advice. start small. talk to chris about getting some bags. or maybe a sample bag to try it out first. The process this guy goes through is absolutely insane, not even mentioning the mass amounts of products he uses. See its actually easy to use one or the other when it comes to guanos and rock dust but he puts every kind you can imagine in so no matter what genetics you have, the plant will pull the proper amount of nutrients it needs to survive/thrive. Some genetics like different kinds of guanos. I have been organic for quite sometime and i have never in my life seen such vigorous growth, insane soft texture, like theres freakin alloe vera in the leaf itsself. Every time i top the lower branch holding the soon to be 2 tops gets twice as thick, and so forth and so on. i have 20 tops on one plant right now and its in a one gallon pot over a foot and half tall and is just a fuckin monster looking thickness everywhere. With one bag you can easily do two 5 gallon pots. thats what ive come to realize. With normal genetics you can get an easy six zips per container. at least. The bags are 30 some bucks. to not have to pay for any nurtients at all and just water. Its one hell of a deal. So i would go for 2 plants instead of one in a scrog net. depending on the genetics, i can point u in the right direction for that too. I very honestly hate plasma lighting. theres maybe one company that is decent. and the only LEDS that are trully worth it on the market that ive seen are lush lighting and the brand with mothership as one of their models. But both brands are an easy 1000 bucks for the equivilent of a 1000 watt. If you truly have the money i would suggest lush lighting. If you can get a hps, and your only doing 2 plants. you truly only need one 600. With certain techniques you can get 3/4 gram to one gram a watt. so you can do the math on that. If you cant even go that route, and money is an issue then i suggest getting as many t5's you can get, mass spectrum, 3,000 and 6500k. that will give you red and blue spectrum, you wont get 3/4 gram a watt but you wont pull much electric either. The best of both worlds is really lush lighting. ive seen insane shit with their product from trusted people in the field that feed their families with this. But its 700 to 1200 dpending on the model. If your just adding water and no additives, then your flushing the entire time. its just the R.O water and CaMg. Stop the CaMg 2 weeks before harvest and continue with water. I feed my super coco and soil microbes though. and vitamins, and sugars, enzymes, humic acid. This is not necessary by any means. But, i am very experienced and i am not looking for the 22%, i am looking for the 29 and above %. But if your using Reverse Osmosis water which you really really shuold, then there is no ph'ing. you just add the CaMg ( i suggest general organics because its 0-0-0 and sugar based) If you want to spend money on ANY OTHER PRODUCT and i swear by this. This will turn any pile of shit dirt into something amazing, so when you combine this with chris's super coco. You are completely unstoppable. Its called OG TEA company. its kyle kushman veganic microbe line. I highly suggest if you were to buy anything at all, it would be the super coco and combine it with the "veganic special sauce", "pure" and "webstar" it allows you to feed microbes to your plants every single watering. The microbes are what eat up the food in the soil/coco and then they feed it to the plants. So chris;s super coco combined with a fucking factory of hungry ass microbes will leave you with the stankiest, stickiest, medicine you have ever had the pleasure of cutting down or showing to your friends. You can even use the "pure" which is a beneficial bacteria and use it during the entire flush and it eats the fuuuuuuccck out of everything that is left including built up salts (if you were synthetic) and gives you a tremendously insane fade. After all of this is said and done i would not recommend you re amending your super coco after all of this because your still young in organics. I would honestly say if this is SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY something you want to do, cuz trust me, if u fuck up, u fuck up everything. i mean everything, any clones u were takin care of for weeks or months, u put in the re amended soil and its not right, u could burn them, kill them, starve them, or god forbid bring pest into your grow room. Reamending soil to continuously use it is purposeful in the sense that your building a microbe army, but its constant work, constant matentience, dont get me wrong, it can be the most rewarding soil or coco you would ever have 3 years down the road, but, thats if you dont mess anything up along the way. Read a book by the rev called true living organics. It actually does give you his soil recipe in the book, but u have to spike with dry nutrients during each transplant and add all kinds of nutrients throughout the entire grow. its not like chris's coco formula where everything is locked in and used when needed. The rev shows you how to build soil but its not for the beginner if you want that absolute super dank. Ive done it all, made every soil u can imagine. I stopped making my own to use Chris super coco. That is all i have to say about that. [email protected] is chris email. Tell him you talked to justin from cali on roll it up and he explained what he could, just say whatever you have on your mind, Hes a real down to earth cool guy. it may take a few days for him to get back because he is busy, but i would definitely email him.

 

[bigskymtnguy]

If you're looking for organic nutes in bulk, check out kelp4less.com. Easy to follow the supersoil recipe and mix a batch from their inventory. I like using coir, but don't use it exclusively. I mix perlite, some FF soil and lots of coir with my nutes. And it gets reused after aging outdoors for about six months and then ammended again with nutes and worm castings.

 

[knix2for5]

Dam man.. thanks ALOT @indica4sativa you are the man !!! I just been reading up on some things that you suggested and it blew me away I wasn't aware of these products. They seem to be the truth on your plants as well those are some beautifully vegged plants! The veganic route opened my eyes to a different realm of gardening .Im definitely liking the look and results of that line with super coco! What would you recommend I do with the left over used super coco would using og tea line rejuvenate the coco or would i need other amendments ? The lush lights are definitely on the list now you and kushington farms made me a believer !! The quality that those lights put off was what Im looking for . I'm gonna order that book 1st too. How did you get 20 tops ? I would like that being that I'm interested in scrogging would you recommend fimming or topping to achieve multiple heads like that ? I'm also goin to use 5 gal. containers too as you recommended . Sorry if I'm asking so many questions I dont get the opportunity to pick growers brains about things like this that matter most! I'm also going to give chris a email too about with the questions too .

THANK SO MUCH !!!!

 

[indica4sativa]

Im sorry for the late reply boss. next time you can email me for any advice if you like, [email protected] im just about spreading the knowledge. That goes really for anyone that may stumble across this and need help. And your never asking to many questions. If you already got some of the answers thats great, if not, here you go. The left over super coco, if your super freakin serious about re using it. WASH THE FUCK OUT OF IT lol an entire rainy season will definitely do the trick. or, 2 or 3 months of running mass amounts of water through it every week. Thats R.O. water also. If you use municipal tap water you will get a build up of camg in the super coco from all the flushing. Then you would use 3/4 of the amendments u would normally use to build your soil. Bake for a month and a half to be safe, if possible at like 170 degree ( u can get thermometer to check every few days or week). The beneficial line for OGTEA is used specifically for the plant itself. You dont want to use that in your soil. The beneficials will not stick to coco itself, only the roots. So you need living matter to use the OGTEA line. The rev book will help you out a lot to understand the organic world. But if you have MONEY and can afford a 70 or 100 dollar book. Get anything by Robert C. Clarke. He is brilliant. Anyone who is Anyone in the organic and veganic world have his books on their shelves. You achieve 20 tops by toping early. and topping a lot. but in order to do both, you need a healthy plant, with a healthy system. That doesnt mean force feeding it everything and anything. Its just understanding what the plant wants n needs. The super coco and any kind of super soil makes that part easy because of everythingbeing in the soil. This is where spliffs additive regimen that i follow comes into play. organic camg from general organics, organic vit b from advanced nutrients, powdered enzyme from kelp4less.com (microbe food plus is no more ) organic omri molasses or sugaree, nitrozyme( awesome for vitamins and all kinds of goodies, especially in veg) hygrozyme(a must have), and secret growers pro which is a fungal dominant tincture for flower. You dont have to use these all the time, if ur curious about them i will explain them in an email better. But as far as topping, from seed, i wait to see 3 seperate stacks of branching then i take the top. Wait for them to get about an inch and half long (both top shoots) then top both of them again and also pinch beneathe at the point where they connect to the main stalk. like in the middle of the stalk. this will send horomones down to the lower stacks of branching to shoot out and catch up while your tops are developing. If everything works out then you will have 4 main tops from the topping and 2 other tops from the side branching catching up. The you pick and choose which 2 or 3 to top at a time and realize the other ones will pass them. Its all about reach in even canopy before you put it into flower. Its like the hydra, every time you top 2 more heads pop up. This is crucial for strains like the cookies, you need at minimum 50 heads if you want a decent harvest. i have a buddy who puts his specifically in a 25 gallon for that reason. When you fim a plant i notice it tend to grow slower, but much more uniform. so when you fim instead of jus the two tops rising, just about everything should, so like 3 or 4 tops will rise. I notice this is good sometimes outside when your further along. Or some sativa strains really fucking love it. Other hate it. I will be honest i dont employ just one method. I look at what the plant needs and i use that technique. I also use kyle kushmans snap and twist technique. look on youtube for that. and try and actually watch him doing it. alot of other people do it, but he developed it from soma and made it more popular. If your scroging then make sure you get the net up early and train train train your branches where ever they need to be for an even canopy. Never to many questions bro. u can email me if u want next time. sometimes i forget to come on here and check responses.

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

i would never pay $35-$45 for a bag of dirt/super coco. you don't need it! you can use almost "any," medium with fine results, yes, even miracle grow, but it is a bit different... i pay about $20-$27 for a large bag of (supposedly) rinsed coco. just add some perlite, and use coco specific nutes, maybe some supps. it's good to go for three solid grows, cleaning with a zyme...you'll do fine for much cheaper over-all...

 

[dirtyshawa]

i would never pay $35-$45 for a bag of dirt/super coco. you don't need it! you can use almost "any," medium with fine results, yes, even miracle grow, but it is a bit different... i pay about $20-$27 for a large bag of (supposedly) rinsed coco. just add some perlite, and use coco specific nutes, maybe some supps. it's good to go for three solid grows, cleaning with a zyme...you'll do fine for much cheaper over-all...

I don't understand your logic here. A bag shipped to my house is $60, you say you'll come out much cheaper paying $20-$27 for a bag of coco+nutrients+supplements. What nutrients and supplements are you buying???

Anybody know the volume of a bag of this stuff is??? I have canna and botainicare bags and blocks to put against it already

 

[hyroot]

If you're looking for organic nutes in bulk, check out kelp4less.com. Easy to follow the supersoil recipe and mix a batch from their inventory. I like using coir, but don't use it exclusively. I mix perlite, some FF soil and lots of coir with my nutes. And it gets reused after aging outdoors for about six months and then ammended again with nutes and worm castings.

keep it simple organics is cheaper.

http://www.kisorganics.com/






the downside to super coco is after 2 or 3 runs it probably breaks down completely. I've been running the same mix recycling it every batch doing no till organic living soil. I have been running my mix of peat moss, pro mix, pumice for over a year. I have top dressed worm castings, compost , kelp meal, crab meal, neem meal, glacial rock dust, soft rock phosphate every batch. I spend maybe $100 a year on nutes. I had to buy everything for my base mix only once. For the price of 3 super coco bags. I made 17 cubic feet of soil. with living soil. the more aeration the less room for microbial activity

 

[Cococola36]

man i love to read lol, a million ways to skin a cat......I just want some good damn herb and lets be honest if your growing its always cheaper than buying lol

 

[indica4sativa]

one bag is about 1.5 cubic feet. Yea i dont understand the whole logic on spending 27 but not spending 35 on a much superior product? But to each their own. i get a 7 gallon almost filled and a 5 gallon filled with one bag. Considering in a7 gallon you shouldnt get any less then 6 zips and thats if your not puttin in additives like microbes. You add microbes to every watering and your talking a ten zip plant. As long as its not some genetics like cookies. I always yield a gram a watt, or just under. And thats all organic. No synthetic edta bullshit. But re amending your soil can be awesome, you just have to do it the right way, and stay on top of it. Its not a hobby you can just pick up and put down. It becomes a way of life in horticulture.

 

[hyroot]

one bag is about 1.5 cubic feet. Yea i dont understand the whole logic on spending 27 but not spending 35 on a much superior product? But to each their own. i get a 7 gallon almost filled and a 5 gallon filled with one bag. Considering in a7 gallon you shouldnt get any less then 6 zips and thats if your not puttin in additives like microbes. You add microbes to every watering and your talking a ten zip plant. As long as its not some genetics like cookies. I always yield a gram a watt, or just under. And thats all organic. No synthetic edta bullshit. But re amending your soil can be awesome, you just have to do it the right way, and stay on top of it. Its not a hobby you can just pick up and put down. It becomes a way of life in horticulture.

yield mostly depends on genetics. So saying what people will yield ... Makes it sound more like marketing hype. Yet don't state what the recipe is. I don't want a mystery mix. Transparency with a product can only improve sales. I'll stick to rols at least for now. Plus I don't use guano, bone meal and blood meal. The only animal anything in my mix has been crab meal and sometimes fish meal. Now I'm doing a full vegan rols run

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

i buy nutes in gallon jugs, and they last years. i re-use my coco 3 times. i haven't done the math, but it seems that there would be more money spent in the long run using $40 medium... even if it were cheaper using super coco/soil, i wouldn't use it. i have more control using my own nutes/supps.

 

[indica4sativa]

The ingredient list is on his rollitup thread in the first 2 pages. And honestly just about any genetics as long as there not some rare landrace, or something that is well known for giving extra small yields will give you 3/4 of a gram per watt to a gram per watt. As long as you know what your doing, whether its the root soil food web or cramming them with synthetics to get the product you want you can achieve same results. Its how you get there, how much money is spent doing so, and the quality of the smoke. I know theres barely anybody out there that would cure there synthetic cannabis for 3 to 6 months but down to the actual molecular structure of everything it takes that long for the cannabinoids to rotate throughout the cannabis to get the full pure cure that you would expect to smell from someone that grew all organic and only cured for one month, maybe two. When its natural and organic the carbon dioxide in the jars creates a process where aerobic bacteria eats the chlorophyll and allows the cannbinoids to rotate in the cannabis a lot faster and more natural, where as synthetically the structure has been manipulated since day one and although u can get the same results.. it takes much longer for it to happen. Dont get me wrong, the whole vegan and pescatarian thing is fuckin awesome. no animal by products other then what comes from the sea. Follow gugrows on instagram. dude has the game on lock when it comes to that. Ive used that too, and its pretty awesome, but this product that this dude chris makes just makes everything explode throughout my entire process. seed to flower. Now, i also use a regimen of additives. i feed my soil and microbes so whatever food is in the soil they will eat the fuck up. I use sugars, enzymes, vit b, humic acid, camg, microbe food plus, and secret growers pro, and kushmans veganic microbe line. Every single thing are additives u could use for freakin empire or fox farm soil if u want. but the food wont be substantial enough to produce UBER STICKY quality. cannabis cup entry top 3 place type of sticky. His product is sound because even if you dont use an additive regimen like mine, and just add water and camg wit some microbes the results are freakin rediculous. he has pictures all over his 170 page roll it up thread. just type in "super coco" and the recipe is on the first couple pages. u can check out the videos too on youtube. "super coco" he grows the qush from tga from seed to flower and you see how fire it truly is. I will only stand behind a product if i truly believe in it and would use it in my garden. HE;s definitely got his shit on lock.

 

[HamSaze330]

I know this thread is a little old but where im at the hydro store has this shit stocked and a 1.5cubic ft bag and a 10 gallon felt pot was only like $20. Cant beat that.
Pretty sure im right next to where the shit is made.
Actually have a hunch that the dude who makes it is the guy who sold it to me.

 

[Sticky Lungs]

The dude that makes it doesn't work at a hydro shop. He works making and bagging his soil.

 

[stak]

Supercoco is a damn good product and I love using it, I just wish the guy would actually reply to emails. Why have a contact section of the website if you never respond?

I love the product but not enough to pay $29 shipping for a bag of soil that costs $30. So I try to get a hold of the guy to see if he can offer better shipping rates if I bought in larger quantities. 10 bags, 20 bags, a full pallet, whatever, just let me know what I have to do to get better shipping rates. I guess dude doesn't like making sales.